Intel or Ryzen

ED209 · 12 Jun 2021 at 20:26

newbieclocker said:
46 degrees at idle with 20 degree temperature room. I do have my gpu radiator on the front of my case so it will at least be as hot as that. CPU is cooled by noctua nh-d14

EDIT: I'm sure it was hot before I got the AIO though as I never overclocked it because of it

my rad is mounted to the front of the case for the cpu and pulls air in.

GPU is a 2070S and uses the air cooler it come with.

sybaris · 12 Jun 2021 at 20:48

I like the look of the 5950 and 5900
My 4770K is hitting mid 80 degrees now and cooling seems to be less than it was. The whole thing is falling apart.

sybaris · 12 Jun 2021 at 20:51

I am going to have to start another thread in the motherboard section now.... it never ends :cry:

LePhuronn · 12 Jun 2021 at 21:01

sybaris said:
I am going to have to start another thread in the motherboard section now.... it never ends

Nah, keep it in this thread. Might as well talk about the entire system.

Go with a solid B550 motherboard; unless you have a need for multiple NVMe SSDs X570 isn't really worth it (although you can get X570 boards for good prices).

Ryzen 5800X, MSI B550 Tomahawk, 16GB 3600 memory (something with Micron E die is the latest best I think).

humbug · 12 Jun 2021 at 21:06

sybaris said:
I am going to have to start another thread in the motherboard section now.... it never ends

As above Stick with B550, they are the same as X570 but without the PCIe4 Chipset that no one needs. MSI B550 Tomahawk is a good suggestion, i have the AX version of this one https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...2-amd-am4-b550-atx-motherboard-mb-593-gi.html AX means it has Intel Wifi 6.

I can't fault it, very good board i like it.

If you want something high end, more E-Peen https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...g-amd-am4-b550-atx-motherboard-mb-6fd-as.html

sybaris · 12 Jun 2021 at 22:57

yeah I have looked at the B550s and they look good

the_0ther_alex · 12 Jun 2021 at 23:44

so would you guys recommend going with a 5800x instead of a 5600x? also what cooler would you recommend using for both?

Joxeon · 12 Jun 2021 at 23:52

the_0ther_alex said:
so would you guys recommend going with a 5800x instead of a 5600x? also what cooler would you recommend using for both?

For 8 cores + then get the either the 5800X or the 5900X, if you just want 6 cores then the 11400F makes more sense than the 5600X at current pricing.

LePhuronn · 12 Jun 2021 at 23:53

the_0ther_alex said:
so would you guys recommend going with a 5800x instead of a 5600x? also what cooler would you recommend using for both?

Depends on budget. Personally I'd recommend the 5900X over both since it games as well as the 5800X but has plenty of cores to devote to the OS and all its background tasks whilst still having plenty of cores to game on.

But if you only want 6 cores, and are prepared to build a one-shot deal system, then I wouldn't even go Ryzen: 11400F with a solid B560 board is the budget king.

humbug · 12 Jun 2021 at 23:54

the_0ther_alex said:
so would you guys recommend going with a 5800x instead of a 5600x? also what cooler would you recommend using for both?

Depends what you want it for? if you're running an RTX 3080 and like e-Sports yes, its better than the 5600X and as good as the other two higher end ones, if you're gaming 1440P AAA titles it doesn't make much if any difference, a GPU lower end than that just get the 5600X anyway.

However, be warned the 5800X likes to run hot, as i described here.

humbug said:
The 5800X tends to run hot when under high all core load, its tuned for a higher all core frequency than the 5600X, 5900X and 5950X, all core it runs at about 4.7Ghz in Cinebench where as the other 3 only run at about 4.3Ghz all core.

Its just the way the 5800X is, its seems to be the one where AMD have said "this one is all balls to the wall, because reasons" trouble with that is it runs much hotter than the other 3.

I think maybe @Loxa is tarring them all with the 5800X brush.

Its not a problem anyway, the 5800X is just not the right CPU for people who just want to plug it in and play and expect cool temps without doing anything to it, if you want that get one of the other 3, however with a bit of tweaking the 5800X can run less hot and still boost to 4.7Ghz all core and <5Ghz in games.

DNfk · 12 Jun 2021 at 23:56

I'm looking to get a 3070 and was wondering could I be bottlenecking it with my CPU it's a Ryzen 5 3600.

humbug · 13 Jun 2021 at 00:02

DNfk said:
I'm looking to get a 3070 and was wondering could I be bottlenecking it with my CPU it's a Ryzen 5 3600.

Unless you're playing at 4K i think it would.

Joxeon said:
For 8 cores + then get the either the 5800X or the 5900X, if you just want 6 cores then the 11400F makes more sense than the 5600X at current pricing.

The 11400K is a great CPU for its price, it is cheap, but its cheap for a reason, i'm not knocking it, it has its place but when we are talking about RTX 3070 and up territory that CPU is a false economy.

the_0ther_alex · 13 Jun 2021 at 00:03

humbug said:
Depends what you want it for? if you're running an RTX 3080 and like e-Sports yes, its better than the 5600X and as good as the other two higher end ones, if you're gaming 1440P AAA titles it doesn't make much if any difference, a GPU lower end than that just get the 5600X anyway.

However, be warned the 5800X likes to run hot, as i described here.

When i can finally get my hands on one I would probably be running a 3070 or 3080 (if it's at a decent price) and hopefully a 5800x. What AIO/fan cooler would you recommend using for it?

danoliver1 · 13 Jun 2021 at 00:04

DNfk said:
I'm looking to get a 3070 and was wondering could I be bottlenecking it with my CPU it's a Ryzen 5 3600.

It will be fine. You might get a few frames more with a 5600x but for the cost it's not worth it.

Joxeon · 13 Jun 2021 at 00:04

humbug said:
The 11400K is a great CPU for its price, it is cheap, but its cheap for a reason, i'm not knocking it, it has its place but when we are talking about RTX 3070 and up territory that CPU is a false economy.

It's on par with a 5600X at 1440P + even with an RTX 3090.

humbug · 13 Jun 2021 at 00:14

the_0ther_alex said:
When i can finally get my hands on one I would probably be running a 3070 or 3080 (if it's at a decent price) and hopefully a 5800x. What AIO/fan cooler would you recommend using for it?

A large high end tower cooler is probably best for it, if you want an AIO an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280 or 240.

Joxeon said:
It's on par with a 5600X at 1440P + even with an RTX 3090.

In every game?

humbug · 13 Jun 2021 at 00:17

@the_0ther_alex if i remember right people with this cooler are quite happy with it on their 5800X https://www.overclockers.co.uk/be-quiet-dark-rock-pro-4-cpu-cooler-hs-01c-bq.html

Before you buy i don't think it would hurt to make a separate thread asking what coolers are good for the 5800X, plenty of people here have plenty of experience with them

the_0ther_alex · 13 Jun 2021 at 00:23

humbug said:
@the_0ther_alex if i remember right people with this cooler are quite happy with it on their 5800X https://www.overclockers.co.uk/be-quiet-dark-rock-pro-4-cpu-cooler-hs-01c-bq.html

Before you buy i don't think it would hurt to make a separate thread asking what coolers are good for the 5800X, plenty of people here have plenty of experience with them

Yeah that's very true. I'll check those coolers out and I also appreciate the help a lot!

humbug · 13 Jun 2021 at 00:29

Any time

Joxeon · 13 Jun 2021 at 07:35

humbug said:
In every game?

Obviously not in every game as you will always get outliers on either side but over say a 50 game sample it will even out.