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Interested in this thread as im in the same position. Joxeons comments about upgrade path made me think, potentially worth finding the extra cash now and get the 5800 over the 5600
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I was struggling with what to choose until AMD announced the new ryzen line up. I have always gone intel with my builds, but i bit the bullet and went with a 5900x for my latest. Its given a new lease of life to my 1070 while i wait to get my hands on something better. My temps are are around 47-50°c at idle
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What cooler do you use
Unless you're playing at 4K i think it would.
The 11400K is a great CPU for its price, it is cheap, but its cheap for a reason, i'm not knocking it, it has its place but when we are talking about RTX 3070 and up territory that CPU is a false economy.
Thanks for the help. I'll not be playing 4K for the next few months or year so think I'll keep the 3600 for now and upgrade to the 5600x or better. Thanks for the help
Unless you're playing at 4K i think it would.
The 11400K is a great CPU for its price, it is cheap, but its cheap for a reason, i'm not knocking it, it has its place but when we are talking about RTX 3070 and up territory that CPU is a false economy.
That 11400k looks very appealing. I went from 4600k to the Ryzen 5 3600. Really don't have a preference in brand just best bang for the buck as they say.
It is a good CPU, i like it, its capable and its cheap, @Joxeon is right, quite often its just as capable as the 5600X, which is a much more expensive CPU.
However, what you're seeing there is a limitation of the GPU, not the CPU, i guess the simplest way to describe it is the 11400F is just as capable, in a lot of cases driving a high end GPU as the 5600X, but that is not the same as saying the 11400F is just as fast, it isn't, that would be a bit like saying a Ford Focus is just as fast as a Porsche, it is at 70 MPH, now put them both on the Autobahn.
People sometimes make the mistake of looking at these bar charts and thinking this CPU costs £150 and this one costs £300 yet they both have the same sort of bar length, i'll get the cheaper one, of course, then a new round of GPU's comes along, they upgrade and are stunned to find their performance has not changed as much as they expected.
Take the Ryzen 3600 as an example, a lot of reviewers said things like, and i'm using an actual example here "the 9900K is only 6% faster than the Ryzen 3600" yea, with a 2080TI, now we have an RTX 3080 and the 9900K is 20% or more faster, because a Ryzen 3600 was just about as capable driving a 2080TI as a 9900K is not the same as "just as fast" and if you bought one last year, nice and cheap and now you're looking at a 3080 or even a 3070 frankly with the latest games you have to upgrade the CPU again and you're spending £300 anyway.
Its almost as if these reviewers are deliberately peddling products with built in obsolescence, they are not, they are just a bit stupid and think they are saving you money and driving down prices, AMD and Intel don't think so, they are looking at this thinking "you carry on my friend"
That's why i say its a false economy, unless you plan on keeping the GPU and CPU combo for a few years.
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I'm beginning to think the midrange, and upgrade more often, is where the value is. Selling sooner also returns more for your old gear.
Yeah I am starting to see that too. I might just wait till AM5 but then go for more semi-regular upgrades rather than waiting a long time between upgrades!
I'll weigh it up at second gen DDR5 and see how it stacks up.
Been saying this since AM4 was launched.
Certainly in these times of fairly rapid progress I'd say you were spot on.
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I guess I can see quite how long I can hold out for. My current plan was Q3 or Q4 2022, as by then things will (HOPEFULLY) be a lot more sensible once again. Problem I have is that I am looking to go from water cooling to air, and my GPU is water cooling only, so I would either need to watercool the CPU again or perhaps swap/sell my GPU.
Expensive is an understatement, you can quickly rack up the price of a rtx3090 just on your cooling
Yes, that and the faff have kept me away from it. AIO the CPU and the GPU can do its own thing, the air coolers on them are pretty good these days.
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Been there and done it with water (CPU) and phase (CPU) also destroyed a GPU trying to watercool it and gave up on that.
Very costly for little gain these days, GPUs are about the only thing that benefits and it's too fiddly to begin with.
And the cost isn't really even an investment - I was a bit surprised at how often parts need replacing
The ryzen will age better but not much better and buying a 11400F and just upgrading to whatever budget platform is flavour of the month in 3 years time will certainly beat buying a 5600X and then upgrading to a 5900X in 3 years and will probably have a similar net spend.
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You have to balance the individual likelihood to upgrade the CPU, vs how long you'd keep a CPU in frequently changing times, something that is hard to gauge accurately given that for a long time people had no reason to change CPU frequently, hence people just getting off Sandy/Ivy recently. You then have to try and forecast the cost of the CPU's second hand in an ever changing market, in 15 months time the 5900X might only be worth £200 max, if the new equivalent CPU's from both AMD and Intel make it look greatly slower, conversely it might still be worth £350 if things don't jump ahead as far as predicted.
An entire system based on an EOL platform needs to have upgrade options, unless you already plan to dump it rather than upgrade it, which needs to be made at the point of purchase. Someone may opt for the relative ease of upgrade of an AM4 system, or may just think, sod it I'll replace the whole lot. It isn't an easy call for some people to make, also people are fickle and change their minds quite a lot.
I will say though, I've done quite a few upgrades for people upgrading from R5 2600/2700/X to 5600X/5800X etc. recently, mainly sticking with the kit they already had other than the fact they now have a fast(er) GPU (usually the reason for an upgrade), and some are aware than the AMD CPU's aren't as cheap as Intel, but they are happy as they are getting better performance without doing much else to the system. TBH the worst part is the number of PSU upgrades that have been required due to the modern GPU's being so power hungry, lots of people with nice 500/550w units, and they've ended up needing to swap that out for a 650-850w unit to feed the RTX 3080, or 6800XT, or whatever card they manage to get a hold of that week. I've also noticed what I'd called mid-range gamers/users happy to spend way more than you'd normally expect, but this is due to the state of the market overall I'd guess.
An entire system based on an EOL platform needs to have upgrade options, unless you already plan to dump it rather than upgrade it, which needs to be made at the point of purchase. Someone may opt for the relative ease of upgrade of an AM4 system, or may just think, sod it I'll replace the whole lot. It isn't an easy call for some people to make, also people are fickle and change their minds quite a lot.
I will say though, I've done quite a few upgrades for people upgrading from R5 2600/2700/X to 5600X/5800X etc. recently, mainly sticking with the kit they already had other than the fact they now have a fast(er) GPU (usually the reason for an upgrade), and some are aware than the AMD CPU's aren't as cheap as Intel, but they are happy as they are getting better performance without doing much else to the system. TBH the worst part is the number of PSU upgrades that have been required due to the modern GPU's being so power hungry, lots of people with nice 500/550w units, and they've ended up needing to swap that out for a 650-850w unit to feed the RTX 3080, or 6800XT, or whatever card they manage to get a hold of that week. I've also noticed what I'd called mid-range gamers/users happy to spend way more than you'd normally expect, but this is due to the state of the market overall I'd guess.