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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

Coffee Lake pricing leaks at UK retailer

Taken from OC3D news

Intel 8th Generation Z370 Coffee Lake CPUs

- Core i3-8350K £174.35 (4 cores, 4 threads)
- Core i5-8600K £250.50 (6 cores, 6 threads)
- Core i7-8700K £353.86 (6 cores, 12 Threads)

Intel 7th Generation Z270 Kaby Lake CPUs

- Core i3-7350K £135.05 (2 cores, 4 threads)
- Core i5-7600K £213.18 (4 cores, 4 threads)
- Core i7-7700K £310.58 (4 cores, 8 Threads)

If these prices are correct, Intel is offering their 6-core, 12-thread i7 8700K with pricing that is slightly higher than their 6-core, 12-thread i7 7800X, which makes sense given the fact that the 8700K is expected to feature higher base/boost clock speeds, especially in single-threaded workloads

Guess Intel isn't worried about Ryzen with these prices. It's making me think twice.
 
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I'd remove that before the mods see it, competitors and all that. ^^^^

gavinh87 said:
Insurgency uses the source engine. In all other benchmarks like cs:go that uses that engine, intel beats it every time.
You will not be getting better framerates with ryzen than you will on a 4690k @ 4.5ghz. Frametimes, maybe.
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Know what Engine its running on, i told you what Engine its running on.

I also have CS-GO, that is a game made for high FPS, its an E-Sport game, its on the same engine but its nothing like Insurgency, Portal / 2, Day Of Infamy... all on Source Engine and nothing like CS-GO, which has absolutely nothing in it, its stripped out 'deliberately so' that the CPU has as little work as possible to do, that is when Intel are strong, that is when you get your 350 FPS vs 300 FPS.
i also said i don't care about better frame rates as long as the frame rates i'm getting are high, what i care about is smooth gameplay, Insurgency is loading all my 4 cores up to 100%, that's causing stutter and slowdows in performance, something you will not see in CS-GO because that game has nothing in it, Insurgency has draw distance, volumetric fog, lighting and shading effects... stuff for the CPU to do, hence why i'm getting 100% CPU utilisation causing stuttering.
 
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humbug said:
I'd remove that before the mods see it, competitors and all that. ^^^^



Know what Engine its running on, i told you what Engine its running on.

I also have CS-GO, that is a game made for high FPS, its an E-Sport game, its on the same engine but its nothing like Insurgency, Portal / 2, Day Of Infamy... all on Source Engine and nothing like CS-GO, which has absolutely nothing in it, its stripped out 'deliberately so' that the CPU has as little work as possible to do, that is when Intel are strong, that is when you get your 350 FPS vs 300 FPS.
i also said i don't care about better frame rates as long as the frame rates i'm getting are high, what i care about is smooth gameplay, Insurgency is loading all my 4 cores up to 100%, that's causing stutter and slowdows in performance, something you will not see in CS-GO because that game has nothing in it, Insurgency has draw distance, volumetric fog, lighting and shading effects... stuff for the CPU to do, hence why i'm getting 100% CPU utilisation causing stuttering.
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"I know i will get higher Frame Rates because one of my regular gaming partners has a 1700X and does get higher performance than me"
Is what you said, unlike you I have had both the 4690k and a ryzen 1700 and I can tell you categorically that ryzen will not get higher fps in insurgency than a 4690k @ 4.5ghz

In recording it will do, and it may well be smoother. But faster? No chance.
 
gavinh87 said:
"I know i will get higher Frame Rates because one of my regular gaming partners has a 1700X and does get higher performance than me"
Is what you said, unlike you I have had both the 4690k and a ryzen 1700 and I can tell you categorically that ryzen will not get higher fps in insurgency than a 4690k @ 4.5ghz

In recording it will do, and it may well be smoother. But faster? No chance.
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You're basing that off CS-GO, which i have just explained to you is a completely different game with completely different demands on the hardware.

Its in the quote! read it... does anyone read anything around here before going off on a tangent? Bloody Hell.......
 
~£354 inc VAT equates to $399 at today's exchange rate. The pound got rather stronger today though so if those prices were based on previous exchange rates it will be under $399.

If they are pricing it at $399 they are taking the ****, IMO, even without taking Ryzen into account (i7-5820K came out a long time ago for much less).
 
humbug said:
You're basing that off CS-GO, which i have just explained to you is a completely different game with completely different demands on the hardware.

Its in the quote read it... does anyone read anything around here before going off on a tangent?
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I'm basing it from my own experience, having owned both CPU's and having that particular game.
 
Simon Belmont said:
Coffee Lake pricing leaks at UK retailer

Taken from OC3D news

Intel 8th Generation Z370 Coffee Lake CPUs

- Core i3-8350K £174.35 (4 cores, 4 threads)
- Core i5-8600K £250.50 (6 cores, 6 threads)
- Core i7-8700K £353.86 (6 cores, 12 Threads)

Intel 7th Generation Z270 Kaby Lake CPUs

- Core i3-7350K £135.05 (2 cores, 4 threads)
- Core i5-7600K £213.18 (4 cores, 4 threads)
- Core i7-7700K £310.58 (4 cores, 8 Threads)

If these prices are correct, Intel is offering their 6-core, 12-thread i7 8700K with pricing that is slightly higher than their 6-core, 12-thread i7 7800X, which makes sense given the fact that the 8700K is expected to feature higher base/boost clock speeds, especially in single-threaded workloads

Guess Intel isn't worried about Ryzen with these prices. It's making me think twice.
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That buy in price is pretty high.
At the end of the day, Zen's here currently and the 1700 can be had for ~280. Even if Coffeelake wipes the floor with it in core for core, but the multi-threaded ends up the same, then I don't think people will lose sleep given they've saved a decent sum of money. Plus Zen 2 could improve AMD's core for core quite a bit, given that all it really needs is higher clocks and it'd be better core for core than Haswell (Since that had pretty crappy clocks)
 
Martini1991 said:
That buy in price is pretty high.
At the end of the day, Zen's here currently and the 1700 can be had for ~280. Even if Coffeelake wipes the floor with it in core for core, but the multi-threaded ends up the same, then I don't think people will lose sleep given they've saved a decent sum of money. Plus Zen 2 could improve AMD's core for core quite a bit, given that all it really needs is higher clocks and it'd be better core for core than Haswell (Since that had pretty crappy clocks)
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I'm not even sure if its a clock speed issue. In some cases ryzen at 4.0 gets beaten by a lower clocked i5 or even i3's.
Very hit and miss as I've said before.
 
@Simon Belmont i did :p

gavinh87 said:
I'm basing it from my own experience, having owned both CPU's and having that particular game.
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Right, so let me get this straight, you just so happened to have had the same hardware as me, coincidentally, so a 4690K @ 4.5Ghz + a GTX 1070 and your argument is this video is... what? fake? i faked it?

 
humbug said:
@Simon Belmont i did :p




Right, so let me get this straight, you just so happened to have had the same hardware as me, coincidentally, so a 4690K @ 4.5Ghz + a GTX 1070 and your argument is this video is... what? fake? i faked it?

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I can show you my 3dmark history if you'd like lol.
My 4690k was at 4.4ghz it was a relatively poor clocker.
But hey, you know better. Having owned both and all.......
 
gavinh87 said:
I can show you my 3dmark history if you'd like lol.
My 4690k was at 4.4ghz it was a relatively poor clocker.
But hey, you know better. Having owned both and all.......
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Yes i would like to see that. How do i know it will be yours and not some random from the net?

PS: i can easily stream it, you can watch it happening while talking to me.
 
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humbug said:
Yes i would like to see that. How do i know it will be yours and not some random from the net?
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Yeah, I like pretending that I have owned older hardware......



Now, I never tested the above 3 CPU's with 3dmark with a 1070.
But all 3 have had this 1070 installed with them.

This is my latest 3dmark score: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/13418148

Look at my name, without taking a video of me logging in I don't know how else to show you that the above is indeed me.
 
gavinh87 said:
Yeah, I like pretending that I have owned older hardware......



Now, I never tested the above 3 CPU's with 3dmark with a 1070.
But all 3 have had this 1070 installed with them.

This is my latest 3dmark score: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/13418148

Look at my name, without taking a video of me logging in I don't know how else to show you that the above is indeed me.
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Right so you had the 4690K with the 1070 but never actually tested them together? that GTX 970 which you did test with the 4690K? the GTX 970 there was not actually your GPU at the time? the GTX 970 which i also had one of those and know to be about half as fast as the 1070 and does not stress the 4690K anything like as much as the GTX 1070 because its nothing like as fast...

Okay... yeah right you sold me on that!

I'll tell you what i'm will to do for you, if at all possible to run the game with the Task Manager visible in the recording so you can see what is using all the CPU up then i'll do that, probably very late today if not then tomorrow.
 
pete910 said:
Just to point out, Source engine has multi-core rendering if you are wondering why it uses more than one core.
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They think Source Engine is CS-GO.... not like other games can't be on Source Engine but CS-GO is definitive Source Engine.... it, its hard work. Read up ^^^^ mate :)

I'm going off line for a bit.
 
humbug said:
Right so you had the 4690K with the 1070 but never actually tested them together? that GTX 970 which you did test with the 4690K? the GTX 970 there was not actually your GPU at the time? the GTX 970 which i also had one of those and know to be about half as fast as the 1070 and does not stress the 4690K anything like as much as the GTX 1070 because its nothing like as fast...

Okay... yeah right you sold me on that!

I'll tell you what i'm will to do for you, if at all possible to run the game with the Task Manager visible in the recording so you can see what is using all the CPU up then i'll do that, probably very late today if not then tomorrow.
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That screenshot was to show I had the hardware I said I had. I am not a liar.
Yes, I never tested them on 3dmark together. The 970 got benched in all 3 machines as I was troubleshooting a coilwhine issue I had with it. It was just easier to swap out the cards instead of PSUs
Ironically I also did the same with the 1070 but not on 3dmark as I found heaven was better for introducing coilwhine. I don't have any screenshots or proof of that so I must be lying there.

The 4690k @ 4.5ghz is undoubtedly faster than the ryzen 1700 in insurgency. Despite what your friend may tell you.
The ryzen may well be smoother, I've not tested frametimes on the 4690k and I no longer have that system.
 
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