Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

jigger · 17 Sep 2017 at 20:48

gavinh87 said:
Just stop. You have already been proved to talk ****.
Cold boots are a thing, confirmed by multiple users, AMD even put a boot retry count in their bios lol. Asus engineer Elmor has also confirmed it has an issue booting >3200 in conditions less than 20c

Again, what I type falls on deaf ears so I don't know why I'm even bothering.

I did? maybe you should point it out....

No I read what you say, I'm struggling but I read it.

jigger · 17 Sep 2017 at 20:50

smilingcrow said:
When the i5-8400 arrives at around £165 seemingly, it is firmly in the mainstream pricing wise as the first 6 core with graphics for under £200. Nothing to do with Workstations!

Could you define a mainstream user. I think most could get away with A10 chip or Pentium.

gavinh87 · 17 Sep 2017 at 20:52

jigger said:
I did? maybe you should point it out....

No I read what you say, I'm struggling but I read it.

Yes, you do.
Saying ryzen matches the performance of the 6950X. All that comes out of your mouth is bull.
There is no proof or substance to backup anything you say.

We get it, you love AMD. Can you go into the ryzen owners thread now?

smilingcrow · 17 Sep 2017 at 20:56

jigger said:
The big question is how many big prebult system vendors are going to invest in a platform thats getting replaced in 6 months when you have AM4 with a unified range of CPU's and APU's

I hardly imagine Dell and the like will miss the opportunity to sell a 6 core Intel system into the mainstream.
You do realise that the OEMs will continue selling older platforms long after they've been replaced?
Intel will generally manufacture parts for 2 years or more.
I think they've just announced that they are stopping taking orders for SkyLake chips in the next 3 to 6 months with last shipments in September 2018.

jigger · 17 Sep 2017 at 20:58

gavinh87 said:
Yes, you do.
Saying ryzen matches the performance of the 6950X. All that comes out of your mouth is bull.
There is no proof or substance to backup anything you say.

We get it, you love AMD. Can you go into the ryzen owners thread now?

Not sure where to start. Want to met up for a drink?

jigger · 17 Sep 2017 at 21:02

smilingcrow said:
I hardly imagine Dell and the like will miss the opportunity to sell a 6 core Intel system into the mainstream.
You do realise that the OEMs will continue selling older platforms long after they've been replaced?
Intel will generally manufacture parts for 2 years or more.
I think they've just announced that they are stopping taking orders for SkyLake chips in the next 3 to 6 months with last shipments in September 2018.

Maybe if they place a huge upfront order now, but at some point that SKU is gone. Usually firms want around 2 years life span. Not point filling a warehouse with stock for 2 years.

smilingcrow · 17 Sep 2017 at 21:06

jigger said:
Could you define a mainstream user. I think most could get away with A10 chip or Pentium.

I said mainstream pricing which is a separate thing.
I agree that the majority would be fine with a current £100 or less APU and with quad cores APUs heading towards the £100 price point soon with both camps it leaves fewer people needing to consider spending above £100 which is not ideal for the manufacturers.
We might reach a point where £50 is all you need to spend unless you want a gaming APU.

jigger · 17 Sep 2017 at 21:09

smilingcrow said:
I said mainstream pricing which is a separate thing.
I agree that the majority would be fine with a current £100 or less APU and with quad cores APUs heading towards the £100 price point soon with both camps it leaves fewer people needing to consider spending above £100 which is not ideal for the manufacturers.
We might reach a point where £50 is all you need to spend unless you want a gaming APU.

Maybe firms will be begging for the 8400. Who knows. Who cares.

kitfit1 · 17 Sep 2017 at 21:13

Journey said:
I think you are getting mixed up with the desktop market share, AMD's week point was always mobile sadly and they never made the same splash as they did with desktop. Intel benefited heavily from the PIII derived Pentium M architecture which eventually was developed and became the domineering force that was Core2, and the rest as they say is history.

Nah, don't think i is getting mixed up at all. In the early 2000's the only reason i would ever go into any high street retailer would be for a laptop, i built my own desktops long before then. Nearly every laptop at that time had an AMD cpu in it then and certainly every Dell laptop had AMD inside

smilingcrow · 17 Sep 2017 at 21:14

jigger said:
Maybe if they place a huge upfront order now, but at some point that SKU is gone. Usually firms want around 2 years life span. Not point filling a warehouse with stock for 2 years.

Skylake was released in August 2015 and can be ordered until December 2017 with delivery ruining into 2018 so that's over 2 and a half years.
I think enthusiasts often forget how the real world operates and that products have longer life-cycles.
The OEMs set the agenda much more than enthusiasts.

smilingcrow · 17 Sep 2017 at 21:17

kitfit1 said:
Nah, don't think i is getting mixed up at all. In the early 2000's the only reason i would ever go into any high street retailer would be for a laptop, i built my own desktops long before then. Nearly every laptop at that time had an AMD cpu in it then and certainly every Dell laptop had AMD inside

You should update that Wikpedia link I gave you earlier and conveniently ignored as it clearly shows all the Inspirons in 2000 using Intel.
Dell were one of the last to use AMD in desktops let alone laptops where AMD weren't compelling anyway.
But if you have evidence do post it ......

jigger · 17 Sep 2017 at 21:17

smilingcrow said:
Skylake was released in August 2015 and can be ordered until December 2017 with delivery ruining into 2018 so that's over 2 and a half years.
I think enthusiasts often forget how the real world operates and that products have longer life-cycles.
The OEMs set the agenda much more than enthusiasts.

But this isn't Skylake. Its a short term fix for a long term problem. 6 months and its on to the next one.

smilingcrow · 17 Sep 2017 at 21:19

jigger said:
Maybe firms will be begging for the 8400. Who knows. Who cares.

I'm sure AMD will as they've bet the farm on high core counts.

smilingcrow · 17 Sep 2017 at 21:24

jigger said:
But this isn't Skylake. Its a short term fix for a long term problem. 6 months and its on to the next one.

It's just another platform it makes no difference. Anyway it doesn't matter either way as Dell and the like will use it for as long as they see fit. Not sure why anyone would care as it's been signposted as a dead end platform and only a tiny minority upgrade a CPU anyway so it has no significance.
Judging by Intel's issues at 10nm I wouldn't write off CL just yet.

Journey · 17 Sep 2017 at 21:30

kitfit1 said:
Nah, don't think i is getting mixed up at all. In the early 2000's the only reason i would ever go into any high street retailer would be for a laptop, i built my own desktops long before then. Nearly every laptop at that time had an AMD cpu in it then and certainly every Dell laptop had AMD inside

Could you please advise where I can find this information? I can't see anything about it, anywhere and as far as I remember, there were some really cheap Sempron based Acer's/Dell etc. around 2005-2006, but nothing near 2000-01. You could get the amazing Athlon XP-M range from 2002 onward, but they didn't have a massive impact in the notebook/laptop space, and Intel had launched the significantly more efficient Pentium M (Banias followed by Dothan) early 2003, which were greatly received, and used extensively due to the fact TDP at idle was only 5w and when wound up full only 27w. AMD had a good crack at it, and it was a shame that they could not be more competitive like the desktop counterparts.

kitfit1 · 17 Sep 2017 at 21:32

smilingcrow said:
You should update that Wikpedia link I gave you earlier and conveniently ignored as it clearly shows all the Inspirons in 2000 using Intel.
Dell were one of the last to use AMD in desktops let alone laptops where AMD weren't compelling anyway.
But if you have evidence do post it ......

It wasn't a Wikipedia link you gave, it was a register link from 2003. So not too compelling anyway. I don't need to give you any evidence....................................anyone that has been around computers long enough would know that anyway.

jigger · 17 Sep 2017 at 21:33

smilingcrow said:
It's just another platform it makes no difference. Anyway it doesn't matter either way as Dell and the like will use it for as long as they see fit. Not sure why anyone would care as it's been signposted as a dead end platform and only a tiny minority upgrade a CPU anyway so it has no significance.
Judging by Intel's issues at 10nm I wouldn't write off CL just yet.

No. OEMs want a long term SKU.

jigger · 17 Sep 2017 at 21:38

smilingcrow said:
I'm sure AMD will as they've bet the farm on high core counts.

Seems like a safe bet but have they?

smilingcrow · 17 Sep 2017 at 21:49

kitfit1 said:
It wasn't a Wikipedia link you gave, it was a register link from 2003. So not too compelling anyway. I don't need to give you any evidence.

Good job as you couldn't anyway.
The Centrino link was a different post; keep up at the back.
Here are some actual facts rather than your fantasies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Inspiron#Inspiron_2100_.5B2.5D

smilingcrow · 17 Sep 2017 at 21:56

jigger said:
No. OEMs want a long term SKU.

They want profits more than anything and a new Intel platform with more cores than usual for mainstream is an easy sell for them.
Neither of us know how long Intel will produce CL so you are just making up facts to fit your fantasy.

I don't normally spend much time amongst gamers and I get the impression many of you spend so much time in fantasy game land that you can't differentiate fiction from fact on something as simple as computers.