Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

Silent_Scone · 20 Apr 2017 at 13:24

DragonQ said:
This isn't HEDT.

But it is Intel. What is to be gained from being stuck on the same chipset? Nothing enforces using Z270 over Z170.

DragonQ said:
Yes, except Skylake to Kaby Lake was nowhere near 15%. Even if they're just comparing a stock i7-7700K to a stock i7-6700K their 15% number is ********. Kaby Lake just overclocks more (if you have very high end cooling and/or bother to delid).

He's referring to Intel's own slides. Also this post is false as 5Ghz is (very much) achievable on air cooling.

DragonQ · 20 Apr 2017 at 13:31

Silent_Scone said:
But it is Intel. What is to be gained from being stuck on the same chipset? Nothing enforces using Z270 over Z170.

I agree as long as the socket is the same it doesn't matter, unless of course certain key CPU features require the new chipset, in which case it may as well be a new socket.

Silent_Scone said:
He's referring to Intel's own slides.

I know he is. Doesn't change the fact that the numbers are ********.

Silent_Scone said:
Also this post is false as 5Ghz is (very much) achievable on air cooling.

Hence I said high end cooling is required. Even a NH-D15 doesn't necessarily keep a 5 GHz Kaby Lake below 80 °C under load unless you delid. That's pretty hot.

Journey · 20 Apr 2017 at 14:01

GAC said:
what im waiting for, sat on a i5-750 from 2009 (yes that old) and i need to replace it this year, was looking at ryzen but wont be touching until its matured a bit if i do. but a new intel 6/12 chip would be nice.

I'm just about to build two further Ryzen systems, they do still need a lot of tweaks in order to be considered excellent, saying that I can hardly see Intel matching the current £180 I just paid for 2x R5 1600's with their equivalent processors. So from a price to performance ration they are probably still going to lose if they don't get them around £270, or less. Not to mention the fact that almost all of the Ryzen range will be unlocked and no need to by a special K variant to OC.

haszek · 20 Apr 2017 at 14:37

It was just a question if between sky and kaby the difference was only increased speed (which caused intel's 15% from the slides) now if intel claims again 15% increase (which would mean another, similar speed increase), why would anybody expect more? or some kind of next gen cpu

GAC · 20 Apr 2017 at 14:57

Journey said:
I'm just about to build two further Ryzen systems, they do still need a lot of tweaks in order to be considered excellent, saying that I can hardly see Intel matching the current £180 I just paid for 2x R5 1600's with their equivalent processors. So from a price to performance ration they are probably still going to lose if they don't get them around £270, or less. Not to mention the fact that almost all of the Ryzen range will be unlocked and no need to by a special K variant to OC.

guess we'l find out come august what intels going to do, they may surprise the pants off us (doubtful) and drop prices and release something that is more than the probably 10-15% jump over kabylake. the issue for me is iv done builds before where you have silly little niggles for whatever reason and honestly if i have to spend a bit more to get a solid intel build i probably will do.

Journey · 20 Apr 2017 at 15:17

GAC said:
guess we'l find out come august what intels going to do, they may surprise the pants off us (doubtful) and drop prices and release something that is more than the probably 10-15% jump over kabylake. the issue for me is iv done builds before where you have silly little niggles for whatever reason and honestly if i have to spend a bit more to get a solid intel build i probably will do.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, in 4-5 months, by the time the new Intel CPU's are available that the AM4 platform will be 95-99% as stable as it's going to get in this iteration before Ryzen+ in 2018. You'll have lots of end user experience to go on by then, and hopefully even some performance gains from new steppings of the CPU's.

mattyfez · 20 Apr 2017 at 21:41

A hex core hyperthreaded 'kaby' would be an interesting proposition.

Dread to think what they'd price it at tho!

Simon Belmont · 20 Apr 2017 at 22:49

mattyfez said:
A hex core hyperthreaded 'kaby' would be an interesting proposition.

Dread to think what they'd price it at tho!

Would love to see that. Hope Intel reveal all at computex?

Telecaster · 20 Apr 2017 at 23:57

Intel to unveil Basin Falls, launch Coffee Lake ahead of schedule
Monica Chen, Taipei; Joseph Tsai, DIGITIMES [Wednesday 19 April 2017]
Intel will unveil its Basin Falls platform, i.e. Skylake-X, Kaby Lake-X processors and X299 chipset, at Computex 2017 in Taipei during May 30-June 3 two months earlier than originally scheduled, and will bring forward the launch of Coffee Lake microarchitecture based on a 14nm process node from January 2018 originally to August 2017, to cope with increasing competition from AMD's Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 5 processors, according to Taiwan-based PC vendors.

The Basin Falls-based products are expected to be launched at the E3 gaming show in the US in June, with the official release at the end of the month.

The Skylake-X series has three 140W processors featuring 6-, 8- and 10-core architectures, while the Kaby Lake-X series has an 112W quad-core processor. In August, Intel will release a top-end 12-core Skylake-X processor.

Meanwhile, AMD is planning to announce its top-end 16-core Ryzen processor and X399 platform in the third quarter to compete for the gaming market.

As for the 14nm-based Coffee Lake-based processors, Intel will initially release several K-series Core i7/i5/i3 processors and its Z370 chipsets in August, and will release more CPUs as well as H370, B360 and H310 chipsets at the end of 2017 or early 2018.

Intel has reportedly spent over US$100 million to order five EUV machine sets from ASML, to accelerate its pace of manufacturing.

Intel and AMD both declined to comment on unannounced products.

WTF is that all about then?

Kavalier · 21 Apr 2017 at 07:48

Seems that Intel is feeling some pressure from AMD Ryzen line !!

eddiew · 21 Apr 2017 at 08:10

Kavalier said:
Seems that Intel is feeling some pressure from AMD Ryzen line !!

Pressure? Should be outright embarrassment labelling a 6 core cpu as a 140w in a post-Ryzen world :rolleyes:

(Although if it's clocked high then... maybe ¬_¬)

GAC · 21 Apr 2017 at 09:30

Kavalier said:
Seems that Intel is feeling some pressure from AMD Ryzen line !!

well after many years of sod all pressure. GOOD!

DragonQ · 21 Apr 2017 at 10:06

Telecaster said:
WTF is that all about then?

It means that they're upping the clock speed slightly which puts it well past the optimum efficiency range.

Telecaster · 21 Apr 2017 at 11:48

DragonQ said:
It means that they're upping the clock speed slightly which puts it well past the optimum efficiency range.

Sorry, I'm not a CPU aficionado, so it's basically a higher clocked Kabylake 7700K? How will that be any different to the 5ghz versions you can already get, all be it unofficially?

eddiew · 21 Apr 2017 at 12:13

Telecaster said:
Sorry, I'm not a CPU aficionado, so it's basically a higher clocked Kabylake 7700K? How will that be any different to the 5ghz versions you can already get, all be it unofficially?

Small chance it will overclock to 5.3.

But yeah, basically this has been our complaint about Intel for the past 6-7 years. It's all teeny tiny increments and half of us couldn't be bothered paying the price for the minimal improvements.

Telecaster · 21 Apr 2017 at 12:15

eddiew said:
Small chance it will overclock to 5.3.

But yeah, basically this has been our complaint about Intel for the past 6-7 years. It's all teeny tiny increments and half of us couldn't be bothered paying the price for the minimal improvements.

Oh so they've released overclocked 4 cores as 'X' versions before? I just assumed the 'X' designation was for the 6c+ chips.

DragonQ · 21 Apr 2017 at 13:08

Telecaster said:
Sorry, I'm not a CPU aficionado, so it's basically a higher clocked Kabylake 7700K? How will that be any different to the 5ghz versions you can already get, all be it unofficially?

Well it's a different platform, so quad channel memory and extra PCIe lanes. Unnecessary for gaming and nearly everything else a home user would be doing unless you want 3-4 GPUs.

This thread is about Coffee Lake though, which is being released on another backwards compatible mainstream platform, Z370. You're talking about Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X, which are on the new HEDT platform, X299.

AthlonXP1800 · 24 Apr 2017 at 11:54

http://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-desktop-6-core-4-core-cpu-leaked/

First Core i5 Coffee Lake-S CPU engineering sample leaked has 6 core but still has no hyperthreading.

It seemed Coffee Lake will compatible with Intel 200 series chipsets.

haszek · 24 Apr 2017 at 14:18

I wonder how they are going to cope with temperatures for 6 cores and this bird poo that they put between the die and IHS. Just a question, really curious.

DragonQ · 24 Apr 2017 at 14:31

haszek said:
I wonder how they are going to cope with temperatures for 6 cores and this bird poo that they put between the die and IHS. Just a question, really curious.

They'll improve the TIM just enough that the temperatures aren't completely mental, then claim they've come up with some fantastic new tech that improves thermals...despite the fact that they already use far superior tech on HEDT and everything before Haswell.