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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
If I had a Haswell CPU I wouldn't have bothered anyway. I wouldn't even bother changing over a Skylake Core i7 and I think if you have something like a Core i7 4790k I would even skip Coffeelake. Once Intel and AMD move to new nodes they can spend more transistors on the cores and making the caches bigger.

But the issue is I told people here anything over a Ryzen 5 1600 isn't worth it for pure gaming. I would even say that 6C/6T Core i5 will probably have almost of the performance of the Core i7 in games.
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I agree. But I and other bought into the hype and got ryzen. It's a good choice if coming from a sandy/ivy but for anything else I'd say stay put.
Unless of course you're into streaming then ryzen is a better bet.
 
gavinh87 said:
Well, destiny 2 has just confirmed my decision to go with coffeelake.
Running a ryzen 1700 @ 3.9/3466 CL14 ram and a gtx 1070 at 2560x1080 ultrawide.
Its actually bottlenecking a 1070. I wouldn't consider a 1070 a particularly hard GPU to push.
The game is actually using 8 threads quite evenly so its a decent engine. The screenshots below are using high settings and not in taxing scenes ,things get much worse in action.
The only way to get 100% utilisation was to completely max out everything resulting in 45-50fps.




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Your images are really low res so can't see the numbers. Try using Imgur.

Also, this guy with a 1080 Ti doesn't seem to have problems: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6wr25k/destiny_2_ryzen_1700_performance_in_the_most_cpu/

His results match up quite nicely with what gamersnexus say a 1080 Ti should get at 1080p max settings: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6wq6hw/destiny_2_beta_gpu_benchmark_frametimes_graphics/

There might be a very mild CPU bottleneck happening at points. But this is at 1080p with a 1080 Ti, so it shouldn't be bottlenecking a 1070. Do you have the latest Nvidia Destiny 2 game ready driver? And you sure your overclock on the CPU and RAM is stable and not overheating or resetting to stock?
 
depends on the game really what performs better. a 1070 or 1080 gtx can do better at 1080 res than a 1080ti sometimes in some games but pump the res up and 1440 and above you see the horsepower of the bigger cards come in.
 
AllBodies said:
Your images are really low res so can't see the numbers. Try using Imgur.

Also, this guy with a 1080 Ti doesn't seem to have problems: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6wr25k/destiny_2_ryzen_1700_performance_in_the_most_cpu/

His results match up quite nicely with what gamersnexus say a 1080 Ti should get at 1080p max settings: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6wq6hw/destiny_2_beta_gpu_benchmark_frametimes_graphics/

There might be a very mild CPU bottleneck happening at points. But this is at 1080p with a 1080 Ti, so it shouldn't be bottlenecking a 1070. Do you have the latest Nvidia Destiny 2 game ready driver? And you sure your overclock on the CPU and RAM is stable and not overheating or resetting to stock?
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I've seen that video and he is clearly CPU bottlenecked. I'll post my own video up later showing the bottleneck. At no point does my GPU hit 100% in my video. This is at high settings getting around 70-90 FPS. My system is stable and it's not overheating.
In fact a friend of mine has a 1080ti and is seeing the same with his ryzen. Yet a 7700k has no issues.
 
gavinh87 said:
I see what you mean, but I dont mind spending extra to get better performance, that said there is a limit I'm willing to go to.
Going to ryzen from 4770 showed no improvement to nothing but mins. 8700k can give me the best of both worlds if leaks are to be believed.
I dont think benchmarks like cinebench etc are showing the full picture, like x299 there is a penalty for jumping across cores.
Games that can take advantage of more cores aren't running optimally because of the latency between cores and games that run on 1/2 cores dont run optimally because the clockspeed isn't there. Hopefully ryzen 2 can sort this.
This is my own footage taken yesterday, my 1070 is performing more like a 1060 due it being starved, destiny 2 beta is just an example of this. My advice to anyone on haswell and wants to upgrade is get coffee or wait for zen 2.
I spent a fair amount on ryzen getting the best board and the best RAM but the performance I got wasn't worth it.

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AllBodies said:
Your images are really low res so can't see the numbers. Try using Imgur.

Also, this guy with a 1080 Ti doesn't seem to have problems: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6wr25k/destiny_2_ryzen_1700_performance_in_the_most_cpu/

His results match up quite nicely with what gamersnexus say a 1080 Ti should get at 1080p max settings: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6wq6hw/destiny_2_beta_gpu_benchmark_frametimes_graphics/

There might be a very mild CPU bottleneck happening at points. But this is at 1080p with a 1080 Ti, so it shouldn't be bottlenecking a 1070. Do you have the latest Nvidia Destiny 2 game ready driver? And you sure your overclock on the CPU and RAM is stable and not overheating or resetting to stock?
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Watch my video, there is a CPU bottleneck.
 
Destiny 2 running awesome on TR, high 90% util on gfx card. Not sure what's up with boggo Ryzen systems. Ram speed perhaps?
 
gavinh87 said:
So it seems I'm out of cores and why you are seeing better GPU performance than the rest of us. The i7s must be brute forcing its way through it with its higher clockspeed.
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Yeah, the thing is though the other chap in the vid above is getting much better utilisation, averaging 80-85 and peaking in the high nineties (see when he goes inside @ 17:45, 97% gpu usage nearly 200fps).
 
amigafan2003 said:
Yeah, the thing is though the other chap in the vid above is getting much better utilisation, averaging 80-85 and peaking in the high nineties (see when he goes inside @ 17:45, 97% gpu usage nearly 200fps).
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I think that's down to him using highest preset taking load of the CPU. I'm using the high preset due not the 1070 not having enough balls to run at highest and putting more strain on my CPU. It does make me wonder as whats gonna happen when faster GPUs come along though. Here we have a well threaded engine and a 3.9 8 core ryzen can't feed a mid range GPU.
 
gavinh87 said:
Watch my video, there is a CPU bottleneck.
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Could be a bug with SMAA since that's the only difference between you and gamersnexus.

Try using FXAA just to see the effect on FPS, and also you do have the latest game-ready driver yes?

EDIT: Also I'll play it myself tomorrow as I have a 3.85 GHz R7 1700 and GTX 1070 so I'll see what I get.

EDIT2: Also also check out this video I found with a stock R5 1600 and RX 480. There's definitely something wrong with your system https://youtu.be/RMxbmeK4t4A
 
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AllBodies said:
Could be a bug with SMAA since that's the only difference between you and gamersnexus.

Try using FXAA just to see the effect on FPS, and also you do have the latest game-ready driver yes?

EDIT: Also I'll play it myself tomorrow as I have a 3.85 GHz R7 1700 and GTX 1070 so I'll see what I get.

EDIT2: Also also check out this video I found with a stock R5 1600 and RX 480. There's definitely something wrong with your system https://youtu.be/RMxbmeK4t4A
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Yes latest drivers. The video won't load at work but I think I've seen it. It's shows 100% utilisation which is not surprising considering how much weaker the 480 is compared to the 1070.

It's a different video which makes me wonder did you even watch mine? At around 5 mins in I swap to highest which brings performance down too low so I go back high settings. We cannot see his GPU usage but I am getting more than the 60 you are showing here.
 
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AllBodies said:
Could be a bug with SMAA since that's the only difference between you and gamersnexus.

Try using FXAA just to see the effect on FPS, and also you do have the latest game-ready driver yes?

EDIT: Also I'll play it myself tomorrow as I have a 3.85 GHz R7 1700 and GTX 1070 so I'll see what I get.

EDIT2: Also also check out this video I found with a stock R5 1600 and RX 480. There's definitely something wrong with your system https://youtu.be/RMxbmeK4t4A
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I have a 1600 and a 1080ti. Can see ryzen sturggling to provide frames for me. Will be looking for coffeelake soon o;!
 
In an ideal world Intel would make an 8 core 7700k lol

Pending reviews i am probably just going to buy the 8700k and sell this 4770k and Mobo + Ram, i have a CH6 Mobo and 16GB of 3400mhz DDR4 Ram i can give to the kids, i was going to give them the 4770k rig, but as AM4 is going to be around for a while yet and i already have the mobo i will just build them a 1600 or 1700 in that i think as i have a spare m2 drive they can have and plenty of spare SSD's etc, plus my 1070 as im moving back to Vega for Freesync.

Just need to see solid info on the 8700k now really and look at motherboards, going with a black and white themed build so natural choice will probably be a Taichi but we will see.
 
gavinh87 said:
I've seen that video and he is clearly CPU bottlenecked. I'll post my own video up later showing the bottleneck. At no point does my GPU hit 100% in my video. This is at high settings getting around 70-90 FPS. My system is stable and it's not overheating.
In fact a friend of mine has a 1080ti and is seeing the same with his ryzen. Yet a 7700k has no issues.
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I will check my 1070 today and report back, see how this will compare to r5 1600.
 
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