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Intel Update: Conroe!

lucifersam said:
you have to remember that most of a CPUs reputation comes from the high end users that know what they are shouting about, the other 99% of the market, ie the people that dont have clue listen to people like us rave about conroe and then decide they want one when in actual fact they couldnt tell the difference between conroe and and old 3500+. So the idea is get the enthusiasts on side and then watch the OEM demand rocket. Since OCuk probably controls most of the enthusiast demand then that makes them the perfect people to supply. Its all in the name, Overclockers shouts enthusiast market!
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Interesting.

Sadly not all so true, biggest market by far is to do with marketing on TV - something that Intel are very very good at.

Joe public don't like to look 'stupid' when they wish to buy, so they go in with a known name (back to something they see on TV)
This is where PC mags reviews can help (they review BRANDs with known brands Inside)
Its all relative to each other - hype, advertising, ignorance.

AKA Dell's business model.

Sadly enthusiasts are still minority, since the gamers overlap is dropping off now the Consoles are starting to take dominence.

As for OCUK and latest hardware - everyone should know by now, you pays your money and takes your chance.
You wana blame someone? blame youselfs for a serious lack of patience and some pretty disgraceful materialistic attitudes.
Not to mention some ppl's lack of manners.
 
Its_Me said:
As for OCUK and latest hardware - everyone should know by now, you pays your money and takes your chance.
You wana blame someone? blame youselfs for a serious lack of patience and some pretty disgraceful materialistic attitudes.
Not to mention some ppl's lack of manners.
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Seriously, what the hell is that supposed to mean? People have worked to spend money on processors because thats what they want to spend it on. People are obviously dissappointed that something they thought was arriving soon wont be around for another month and thats why people have been (wrongly) venting at gibbo. Its not our damn fault, its Intels.

If you went to pickup your new car and they said it wont be ready for another month, you would be angry, BUT IT doesnt it make your fault for being interested in something and putting in an order before something is released. It is expected that things will be released on the dates that companies release and I stronly suspect in Intels case stock is being witheld purposefully rather than because they dont have any ready to dispatch.
 
Some of the responses in this thread are classic and I think I may have to take a copy & paste for future reference.
The moaning, the complaining...the crying, the getting into a mood...the stomping around...the tantrums would put a five year old to shame.
I look at some people in this thread and I can see those that when they got to the check-out's at Tesco when they were kids they cried and bawled when mum or dad said "No" when you wanted the sweets - it lead to the removal of those sweets from the checkouts you know.

I am sitting here ready to make the move to Conroe too.
I've got a PC that could do with a wipe & reinstall due to a major spyware infection a month or so ago.
I've also got a wireless card to remove, an additional 2GB of RAM to insall.
I've got a nice new Gigabyte DS4 motherboard still boxed and I'm currently considering a new Akasa Eclipse case to throw into the mix as well.
I'd like to do all of these upgrades in one go with my new Conroe E6600 CPU but guess what....they aren't available yet so I'll have to wait.
How long will I have to wait?
Well I made my choice of e-tailer and I ordered and I'm on their waiting list.
If in the meantime another company gets some I'll order from there and cancel my backorder.
The fact I'm on a waiting list somewhere is the main thing for me.
The CPU will arrive when it arrives.

To those blaming OcUK - grow up.
I'm not defending them because of some kind of loyalty towards them.
I've ordered from them in the past, I haven't done on this particular occasion for my E6600.
If however they get free stock before my retailer of choice then they will win my custom - simple as.
Shouting, bawling and throwing a tantrum will not make OcUK get the CPU any quicker, will not make any other retailer get it any quicker...will ultimatately not allow you to get your CPU any sooner, nobody can do that.

Many, many people were predicting that these CPU's simply would not ship on the 23rd/24th.
Many of these people were quite vocal but people decided to believe what they wanted to believe and hear what they wanted to hear.
They wanted to hear "CPU's in stock 23rd, on my doorstep 24th".
In hindsight that was never going to happen and with something so new it was crazy to set your heart on something like this knowing what the world demand was like.
Intel have to keep the large OEM's happy first and that is where all of the lower speed CPU's are going no matter how much you hear about Apple, Dell and the likes not getting the CPU's either....they are.
The more expensive units will and have been available because Intel want maximum returns here and some of the impatient people will now have bought an X6800 where they had planned on an E6600 or E6700 because they cannot wait - see, it worked.

There is only one company you can aportion any kind of blame to and that is Intel.
However wait for a moment and back-track through all of the information you have actually been given over the past two weeks.
Now take away all of the stories from The Enquirer and The Register (The Sunday Sport of websites), now take away the "we have heard" stories that the few remaining sites have printed.
At what point did you ever see Intel say there would be stock and stock a'plenty available for the general public for the 23rd?
As for these people now using the word "AMD" in their posts.
One - Intel will not now suddenly rush things any more than they currently are.
Two - There has never been a chip released by Intel or AMD before with so much interest, I'm not convinced if the shoe was on the other foot (that this was an AMD CPU rather than an Intel) these first few launch days would have been any better.
Three - You know you are going nowhere. You will not now suddenly switch your order, you've waited this long for Conroe, you know what it can do so you'll wait the 2-3 weeks it takes to get one.
 
sunama said:
So very true. The few cpu sales that OCUK can muster really wouldnt mean much to a giant like Intel. The OEM customers (like Dell) are what Intel cares mostly about. And for this reason I dont quite understand why Intel distributors would give OCUK preference over other stores.

One things for sure though and that is OCUK have had stock of X6800 available since launch day and will probably continue to do so for the foreseeable future. The same cannot be said about the other e-tailors who dont seem to have any stock of X6800s.
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Firstly, I think OcUK is a lot bigger than many people think. Their online business is very large.

Secondly, they sell a far higher proportion of top-end kit. No doubt Dell sell far more stuff in the UK, but I would not be surprised if OcUK sell more of the top-end CPUs than Dell do (in the UK).
 
I'm sure that Intel will gain some extra profit from people who decide to switch from unavailable 6600s or 6700s to the X6800 that is mysteriously available, but it really won't be much extra. There aren't that many people who are willing and able to pay that much extra rather than wait. The profit margins on the top end chips are insane, but the volume is never going to be very large.

In exchange, Intel's reputation suffers. They might even lose profit to people buying the suddenly cheaper AMD CPUs instead. To most people, it won't really matter which they have, as either will be more than powerful enough.

Maybe the powers that be at Intel have concluded that they can hold stock back to pump up sales of the X6800 and not give a damn what people think as a result, but it doesn't sound very plausible to me. I don't think Intel would gain enough to offset the drawbacks.

Having said that, I can't think of a technical reason for only having the top model on sale (the 6300 OEM availability seems...unplanned by Intel), unless Intel are somehow unable to make Core 2 in bulk and decided to put their entire production onto the 4MB cache version and all of working chips pass at X6800 speeds. That strikes me as unlikely.

So...what on Earth is going on? Apart from false statements about launch dates and availability. Although...did Intel ever officially and explicitly say that the Core 2 range would ship on the 24th? Someone from Intel high enough in the hierarchy to be able to speak for the company?
 
Despite being disappointed about the delay again that's not what I was upset about, more than anything I was riled because my current PC blew up (working now, just about) but now Gibbo has vented his frustration I'm confident that OCuk are doing their best. Gibbo's last few posts gave me an outlet, glad he finally aimed all the blame onto Intel where it should be.

I was angry at OCuk to begin with due to the lack of information and the misleading phone-sales personel but now Gibbo has obviously told us everything and showed us Intel have let us down, if anybody is playing marketing ploys it's Intel, if anybody is holding back it's Intel.

For now, I'm happy waiting for a week or so...it was never about that anyway, people just need a way to vent their frustration and if that comes at the price of an OCuk rep letting the truth be known who is to be blamed, whether it be your most co-operative supplier such as Intel, giving your customers a way to blow off their steam (steam they've paid for) is more important than anything. That's why these forums and this thread in particular have solved many of the problems surrounding the current conroe event.

I will make repeat one thing though, get somebody to kick those phone-salesmens' butts because it was their false promises that caused the collateral damage upon this forum and Gibbo.
 
doopydug said:
Gibbo, I have to say I feel for you mate.

In my opinion there is a negative for every positive. Ying / Yang etc etc.

By using the forums to promote the goods on the website, the forums are gonna be the medium used to complain despite the fact its against the rules.

Also, you have been stirring up everyones interest and we are all on the edge of our seat so when you don't deliver, you can expect a bit of flak.

i learned long ago in my business not to promise to deliver someone something untill I had it in stock - it's not just the computer industry who have supply and logistics problems like this - it's over every sector.

Motto is : you live by the sword, you die by the sword. The forums are a great community provided by OcUk but using them to stir up a shed load of pre-orders was asking for trouble mate and telling one such user to stop moaning is I suppose a result of stress from said situation. I feel for you but I wonder how much of this could have been avoided if the need to steal a march on the competition wasn't so great. Most other etailers seem to be content to sit back and allow the flexing of credit cards when the time is right i.e. stock is available for delivery - most of the orders solicited from the forums would have come to OcUk anyway - they/re a thankful, loyal bunch.
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I 100% agree with all your points.

It is a let down not getting the conroe. There was a post (which I will not highlight in this sensitive situation) where someone said they could get the 6600 cheaper elsewhere and Gibbo himself replied "but we will be the first to get stock". I guess that doesn't hold much water anymore since that "other" e-tailer has stock and moving the processor out in full swing.

I think many people will now second guess pre-ordering goods from here...I think this could be the case when the quad core processors come out in Q4 this year.

I do feel sorry for you Gibbo, I hope things work out okay.

Also on a lighter note,@Gibbo: don't hurt the Intel source too bad, we still need'em for the quad core processor in a few months! (*takes Gibbo's gun away* - the one your carrying in your avatar :D)
 
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killer_uk said:
I wouldn't have thought so.
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I'm starting to feel a little depressed now :(

I would love to hear some good news about now....let's hope this stock issue only affects CPU's not the mobo... I need to see some of my stuff coming in soon or I will feel v.sad :(
 
ihatelag said:
I 100% agree with all your points.

It is a let down not getting the conroe. There was a post (which I will not highlight in this sensitive situation) where someone said they could get the 6600 cheaper elsewhere and Gibbo himself replied "but we will be the first to get stock". I guess that doesn't hold much water anymore since that "other" e-tailer has stock and moving the processor out in full swing.

I think many people will now second guess pre-ordering goods from here...I think this could be the case when the quad core processors come out in Q4 this year.

I do feel sorry for you Gibbo, I hope things work out okay.

Also on a lighter note,@Gibbo: don't hurt the Intel source too bad, we still need'em for the quad core processor in a few months! (*takes Gibbo's gun away* - the one your carrying in your avatar :D)
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I'd really like to know who this other Etailor is as for no matter how much looking I do I just can't find anybody? Please email me info at [email protected]
 
Gibbo said:
Also unfortunately my job is not as easy as just speaking to Mr Intel all day.
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Sure it is all you do all day is sit in a big board room drinking coffee and scheming with the intel boys ;) :p

Just thought i would lighten the mood :)
 
Gibbo said:
I'd really like to know who this other Etailor is as for no matter how much looking I do I just can't find anybody? Please email me info at [email protected]
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I will do, im at work at the moment. I will send it tonight.

Just a FYI, the e-tailer is in EU ...got the thing in favorites on my home comp.

I can send it during lunch (if I don't eat out at Mac D's with the graphic devs) I will look through the OCUK flame thread in the xtremesystems forum for the direct link...either way I will send it later... :)

Anywho, I got tanks to make, catch ya later.
 
Hi I work for Intel and just wanted to confirm the points that I know, and try and help out where i can.

I'd like to echo the "Dont shoot the messenger" comment earlier, im not high up by any means, and do not decide worldwide strategy on launch programmes, but I will tell you what i can.

Firstly Gibbo, has worked non stop to try and ensure that as many of you recieve you products as soon as possible, he is also doing the hard part, which is tell you the facts, rather than what a lot of people will do and tell you what you want to hear. In the end I'm sure that all of you with pre-orders will still be happy when you recieve you cpu, before anyone who has held out.

With regard to the delays you are suffering, there are numerous factors, which i could tell you about, but me explaining them all to you, wont get you your CPU's any quicker. Worldwide demand on what we believe is the best cpu in the world (If you disagree, i respect that no arguments please) is huge, and and we just cant make enough of them fast enough

We are doing everything we can to get product into OCUK asap, and hopefully you should all have CPU's and i think you will be very happy with them

Feel free to ask any questions, and i will try and help where i can.
 
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