Intel’s surprise Ryzen killer

Mr Oblong · 14 Oct 2020 at 20:04

chrcoluk said:
Which 3000 or 5000 series slot chips you suggest then? One's using zen2 or 3 tech, I am aware of the zen+ variants.

Some nice power sippers in the 4000 series APUs.

chrcoluk · 14 Oct 2020 at 20:11

Mr Oblong said:
Some nice power sippers in the 4000 series APUs.

Thanks I had a look and they look a good bet, is nice to know they an option. I think AMD eats intel for breakfast right now on power efficiency.

A vendor has decided to start making AMD NUC's hopefully they use one of these 4000 series chips.

jigger · 14 Oct 2020 at 20:12

chrcoluk said:
Which 3000 or 5000 series slot chips you suggest then? One's using zen2 or 3 tech, I am aware of the zen+ variants.

You will probably be able to run 5900X at 50 watts, but a 4750G is a beast at 40 watts.

Mr Oblong · 14 Oct 2020 at 20:16

chrcoluk said:
Thanks I had a look and they look a good bet, is nice to know they an option. I think AMD eats intel for breakfast right now on power efficiency.

A vendor has decided to start making AMD NUC's hopefully they use one of these 4000 series chips.

No worries. Hopefully that's a good direction for you to research the options for your specific requirements.

4K8KW10 · 14 Oct 2020 at 20:18

jigger said:
You will probably be able to run 5900X at 50 watts, but a 4750G is a beast at 40 watts.

4750G doesn't exist as a retail DIY product or is OEM exclusively..
Or any Renoir desktop chip, for that matter../

jigger · 14 Oct 2020 at 20:22

4K8KW10 said:
4750G doesn't exist as a retail DIY product or is OEM exclusively..

You can buy them with a 12 month warranty. They exist if you want them too.

4K8KW10 · 14 Oct 2020 at 20:44

jigger said:
You can buy them with a 12 month warranty. They exist if you want them too.

I found it, yes, it's available. It's a 65-watt product, though..

jigger · 14 Oct 2020 at 20:46

4K8KW10 said:
I found it, yes, it's available. It's a 65-watt product, though..

It’s 40-65 my man.

jigger · 14 Oct 2020 at 20:47

Well it’s actually 35 watt on some boards.

Journey · 14 Oct 2020 at 23:05

Alternatively you could just buy the actual 35w part, the 4750GE.

jigger · 14 Oct 2020 at 23:31

Journey said:
Alternatively you could just buy the actual 35w part, the 4750GE.

Can you increase the TDP on those?

faceman123 · 15 Oct 2020 at 00:04

Where's Intel's thermal chillier when you need it. Another bs move by intel to grab headlines

Mr Oblong · 15 Oct 2020 at 10:02

Journey said:
Alternatively you could just buy the actual 35w part, the 4750GE.

I was gonna say...

Dave2150 · 15 Oct 2020 at 10:26

The Ryzen killer (Alder Lake) has been pictured, boy is it a big CPU!

https://videocardz.com/newz/exclusive-intel-alder-lake-s-cpu-pictured

This is likely to be Intel's next Sandy Bridge moment, restoring normality and eclipsing anything AMD can offer. Huge number of pins, so massive IO bandwidth - think DDR5, PCIEv5, more lanes from CPU. Jim Keller has left AMD, I doubt there any many more cherry's to pick to improve on Ryzen much further.

The big-small architecture (small atom like cores couple with the big ones) will get software optimisations due to Intel's massive influences, and will echo in a new era for power efficiency and performance.

Hopefully AMD can fight back with Zen 4, though I wouldn't expect that they can compete with Jim Keller's Alder Lake design.

Journey · 15 Oct 2020 at 10:47

Zen4 will be out before Alder Lake.

Troezar · 15 Oct 2020 at 10:52

Dave2150 said:
The Ryzen killer (Alder Lake) has been pictured, boy is it a big CPU!

https://videocardz.com/newz/exclusive-intel-alder-lake-s-cpu-pictured

This is likely to be Intel's next Sandy Bridge moment, restoring normality and eclipsing anything AMD can offer. Huge number of pins, so massive IO bandwidth - think DDR5, PCIEv5, more lanes from CPU. Jim Keller has left AMD, I doubt there any many more cherry's to pick to improve on Ryzen much further.

The big-small architecture (small atom like cores couple with the big ones) will get software optimisations due to Intel's massive influences, and will echo in a new era for power efficiency and performance.

Hopefully AMD can fight back with Zen 4, though I wouldn't expect that they can compete with Jim Keller's Alder Lake design.

Hi Ryan, how's it going?

In all seriousness though it might do ok in 8 core workloads but it's going to get stomped by a true 16 core. I could see it being good in a laptop with varied workloads but not so much for a desktop.

Vince · 15 Oct 2020 at 11:05

Troezar said:
Hi Ryan, how's it going? In all seriousness though it might do ok in 8 core workloads but it's going to get stomped by a true 16 core. I could see it being good in a laptop with varied workloads but not so much for a desktop.

IMO Alder lake gets stomped by Zen. Big little sounds like a windows scheduler nightmare waiting to happen. Given it took the best part of 2 years for the scheduler to be sufficiently "fixed" for Zen I cant see this big little being better in any meaningful way if anything it's much harder to schedule for. The fact that it is a Keller design is interesting if it actually is the fruits of his labour, given the timing you would expect at best that Alder lake was basically done by the time Keller Joined so we shouldn't expect Keller magic in Alder Lake. In fact I have heard it said several times that the Ocean Cove cores (those of Alder Lakes successor) are the most likely to be Kellers work.

Jimmy Weirdarms · 15 Oct 2020 at 11:33

Dave2150 said:
his is likely to be Intel's next Sandy Bridge moment, restoring normality and eclipsing anything AMD can offer.

In the second half of next year, and given recent record, quite likely slipping into 2022... totally, Zen 3 killer

jigger · 15 Oct 2020 at 11:40

Vince said:
IMO Alder lake gets stomped by Zen. Big little sounds like a windows scheduler nightmare waiting to happen. Given it took the best part of 2 years for the scheduler to be sufficiently "fixed" for Zen I cant see this big little being better in any meaningful way if anything it's much harder to schedule for. The fact that it is a Keller design is interesting if it actually is the fruits of his labour, given the timing you would expect at best that Alder lake was basically done by the time Keller Joined so we shouldn't expect Keller magic in Alder Lake. In fact I have heard it said several times that the Ocean Cove cores (those of Alder Lakes successor) are the most likely to be Kellers work.

Pretty much. I think Keller realised Intel is run by a marketing department and got out PDQ.

chrcoluk · 15 Oct 2020 at 11:47

Dave2150 said:
The Ryzen killer (Alder Lake) has been pictured, boy is it a big CPU!

https://videocardz.com/newz/exclusive-intel-alder-lake-s-cpu-pictured

This is likely to be Intel's next Sandy Bridge moment, restoring normality and eclipsing anything AMD can offer. Huge number of pins, so massive IO bandwidth - think DDR5, PCIEv5, more lanes from CPU. Jim Keller has left AMD, I doubt there any many more cherry's to pick to improve on Ryzen much further.

The big-small architecture (small atom like cores couple with the big ones) will get software optimisations due to Intel's massive influences, and will echo in a new era for power efficiency and performance.

Hopefully AMD can fight back with Zen 4, though I wouldn't expect that they can compete with Jim Keller's Alder Lake design.

I always find the big/small system horrible, on phones using that architecture I often make them almost exclusively use the big cores.