Interlagos - Brazilian Grand Prix 2009 - Race 16/17

[Flibster]

WRT KERS.

If they de-restrict the systems, then the Flybrid system that Williams are running will be a big advantage for them as the battery systems won't be able to provide the same amount of power in the same size package.

However, the Flybrid system is a lot more difficult to integrate as it's a single larger unit as opposed to several smaller components.

 

[Burned_Alive]

I wasn't going to point that out...

I gotta say, he did get the most out of that BAR. I know being British he's had a lot of air time, but he's had some memorable drives and for good reasons.

People forget he came third in 2004 (by some margin from the rest) behind an extremely dominant pair of ferraris.

 

[Jono8]

"This team is not a one-hit wonder and neither am I."

I really don't see him competing next year to be honest.

 

[JRS]

Not sure how many people on here would agree, but Kevin Eason in The Times has ranked the ten British F1 champions:

1) Jim Clark
2) Jackie Stewart
3) Nigel Mansell
4) Graham Hill
5) Jenson Button
6) James Hunt
7) Lewis Hamilton
8) Damon Hill
9) John Surtees
10) Mike Hawthorn

Not sure many on here would rank Hamilton that far down the order. Perhaps in a few years a higher ranking will be beyond doubt.

 

[spoonz]

Newly-crowned Formula 1 champion Jenson Button has set his sights on creating history by becoming the first British driver to win consecutive world titles.

Sorry, but not a chance in hell with a semi-decent Ferrari and McLaren piloted by Alonso and Hamilton

 

[spoonz]

Not sure how many people on here would agree, but Kevin Eason in The Times has ranked the ten British F1 champions:

1) Jim Clark
2) Jackie Stewart
3) Nigel Mansell
4) Graham Hill
5) Jenson Button
6) James Hunt
7) Lewis Hamilton
8) Damon Hill
9) John Surtees
10) Mike Hawthorn

Not sure many on here would rank Hamilton that far down the order. Perhaps in a few years a higher ranking will be beyond doubt.

Thats not miles away, I'd swap Hunt and Hamilton

 

[JRS]

Sorry, but not a chance in hell with a semi-decent Ferrari and McLaren piloted by Alonso and Hamilton

Maybe. But who's to say yet how the cars will stack up next year? We had a major shake up with the constructors this year - and with another big rule change coming up, I for one won't assume that Ferrari and McLaren will both be right back up to full strength.

Hope they are, though. And I hope that Brawn and RBR maintain their form from this season. A four team title battle between Ferrari, Brawn, RBR and McLaren could be fun to watch!

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Thats not miles away, I'd swap Hunt and Hamilton

I wouldn't. Yet.

 

[Dup]

Sorry, but not a chance in hell with a semi-decent Ferrari and McLaren piloted by Alonso and Hamilton

The Ferrari and Mclaren have been semi-decent for the last half of the season but nothing has really come of it. The field repeatedly separated by a second in quali would suggest the cars weren't that far off each other. Of course BGP are in a difficult position now and other teams have already got their sights on 2010. It should be nothing short of entertaining if BGP, Ferrari and RBR re closely matched next year. The regulations, love them or hate them, are working pretty well for what they set out to achieve (closer racing).

That said, there's nothing wrong with having goals, drive and ambition. Isn't that what being an F1 driver is about? Maybe he knows something about the 2010 BGP car/team that we don't or he's just blowing smoke becasue right now he's on top of the world. Either way, even if his car is in the mid field again I hope to see him repeatedly drive the wheels of his car like he did this weekend.

 

[[TW]Taggart]

Sorry, but not a chance in hell with a semi-decent Ferrari and McLaren piloted by Alonso and Hamilton

unless he goes to mclaren

 

[Glaucus]

Not sure many on here would rank Hamilton that far down the order. Perhaps in a few years a higher ranking will be beyond doubt.

I would put him much higher up. Not quite at the top yet as he has only won one. But I'm confident he will take that top podium as the greatest ever British f1 driver.

5) Lewis Hamilton
6) Jenson Button
7) James Hunt

 

[spoonz]

unless he goes to mclaren

Hmmmm, that would be PR heaven for McLaren as a company.

However, would the drivers get on.

Be "us" v the world Just needs a British engine, errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr? Aston?

 

[FrankJH]

I'm glad his hard work and years have finally paid off because I really don't see him winning another title. I can't see Brawn having enough resourses for a few years yet, which was clearly evident in their lack of decent developement.

Mind you I don't see Vettel winning one either, he makes far far too many mistakes. He's another one of those drivers labelled as a champion in waiting that I cannot see winning one if another team puts him under pressure.

Lost count of the amount of times he ran wide this year.

Can't wait to see what Red Bull and Brawn do regards KERS. If they don't run it next year they will be nowhere. Brawn say they have done a lot of work on next years car but how can they when we don't actually know whose going to break the agreement.

I'm sure Williams are just doing it to create confusion and delays in development for other teams.

When Mercedes invest in Brawn I would expect the amount of resources they have available to change dramatically.

IF KERS is going to be used (and I still believe the whole field will not use it) then I cant see Brawn not using the Merc unit when its meant to be the best in the field.

Jenson has also been able to do pretty strong runs on most tracks with heavy fuel - ok its difficult to tell how other cars are going to change in this respect, but its nto a given that with the strongest engine this year and being good on heavy fuel / light wear on the tyres - how he will necessarily be worse off.

Newey cars are more likely than not to be up there also - depending on what engine they decide on, and I dont believe McLaren and Ferrari will mess up as they did so severely this season (at the start) but no reason to believe they will automatically be so far ahead either

 

[Flibster]

Hmmmm, that would be PR heaven for McLaren as a company.

However, would the drivers get on.

Be "us" v the world Just needs a British engine, errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr? Aston?

There are rumours of McLaren buying BMW's F1 engine division, moving it to Woking and losing Mercedes.

The MP4/12 roadcar has a McLaren engine in it rather than a Mercedes or BMW.

 

[Glaucus]

Anyone know any good sites that will have large good qaulity posters or canvas prints. Of Hamilton overtaking Glock in 2008 and Button overtaking Kobayashi. Never did get round to buying a lewis print last year. Think it's time.

 

[FrankJH]

Not sure how many people on here would agree, but Kevin Eason in The Times has ranked the ten British F1 champions:

1) Jim Clark
2) Jackie Stewart
3) Nigel Mansell
4) Graham Hill
5) Jenson Button
6) James Hunt
7) Lewis Hamilton
8) Damon Hill
9) John Surtees
10) Mike Hawthorn

Not sure many on here would rank Hamilton that far down the order. Perhaps in a few years a higher ranking will be beyond doubt.

Impossible to know how Mike Hawthorn would have done in these cars today - or how JB (for instance) would have done then, so imo Damon, Jenson, Mike and Lewis are all equal - they had benefits over each other and minus points also

I love some of Nigel's and James's driving but I wouldnt automatically rate them above or below some of the others

Without a doubt Jackie, Jim and Graham where a step above most of them though (until one or both of the current drivers get multiple wins under their belt)

Graham won in multiple catagories (like Indy 500 and motorbikes) which is why I rate him alongside 3 time winner JS - although I may be discrediting Jim Clarke from not actually seeing many of his races.

Sorry, but not a chance in hell with a semi-decent Ferrari and McLaren piloted by Alonso and Hamilton

dont agree with that at all - even with KERS, its hard to say which car is automatically better than the other, McLaren or Brawn

At the end , Barrichello was easily slower than Lewis - unquestionably the other day, but was Jenson.....Im not so sure its clear cut. Yes McLaren have to carry around the KERS weight , but I would still say that KERS was the main difference between them (just imagine how much further up the road JB would have been if he had KERS to pass Kobiashi on the 1st lap instead of waiting for the 5th or whatever) without considering all the other passing manouvers

Im just saying its not definite either way nothing more

 

[JRS]

Graham won in multiple catagories (like Indy 500 and motorbikes) which is why I rate him alongside 3 time winner JS - although I may be discrediting Jim Clarke from not actually seeing many of his races.

Jim won at Indy with Lotus the year before Graham won it with Lola.

 

[Jono8]

Not sure how many people on here would agree, but Kevin Eason in The Times has ranked the ten British F1 champions:

1) Jim Clark
2) Jackie Stewart
3) Nigel Mansell
4) Graham Hill
5) Jenson Button
6) James Hunt
7) Lewis Hamilton
8) Damon Hill
9) John Surtees
10) Mike Hawthorn

Not sure many on here would rank Hamilton that far down the order. Perhaps in a few years a higher ranking will be beyond doubt.

hamilton is a much better driver in my opinion.

 

[Burned_Alive]

I think Lewis should be quite high on that list and certainly above Damon, Jenson and Mike Hawthorn purely due to how long he'd been in the sport and the age at which he won his championship. Not to mention that he nearly won the championship in first season racing.

 

[JRS]

hamilton is a much better driver in my opinion.

I'd never have guessed that you'd think that.

So you'd place him above Button, that much I can guess. Where would you put Hamilton on that list?

 

[Flibster]

Not sure how many people on here would agree, but Kevin Eason in The Times has ranked the ten British F1 champions:

1) Jim Clark
2) Jackie Stewart
3) Nigel Mansell
4) Graham Hill
5) Jenson Button
6) James Hunt
7) Lewis Hamilton
8) Damon Hill
9) John Surtees
10) Mike Hawthorn

Not sure many on here would rank Hamilton that far down the order. Perhaps in a few years a higher ranking will be beyond doubt.

Button above Hunt and Hamilton.
Really?

My list.
Clark - Or as known elsewhere - GOD
Hill Sr. - Indy 500 winner, Le Mans winner, Monaco winner x5, F1WDC x2 - Only man to do the triple crown of motorsport.
Stewart - 3 titles in 99 race starts.
Hamilton
Hunt - Utter legend!
Mansell - The most dull person out of the cockpit ever!
Surtees - WC on 2 and 4 wheels
Hawthorn - Died before defending title
Button
Hill