Interlagos - Brazilian Grand Prix 2009 - Race 16/17

Fr0dders · 21 Oct 2009 at 21:34

NightSt@lk3r said:
Bet Barrichello was sick after his terrible Brazil race.

i bet

he needs to get some peace with himself in that sometimes things just arent meant to be, or are in jensons button's case. Usually he would have been about 6th on the grid and in the middle of the first lap pile up.

as it stood he was far back enough to miss it all and rise to 5th before the race ended. plain good luck or fate ?

you decide.

sunama · 21 Oct 2009 at 21:51

MrLOL said:
plain good luck or fate ? you decide.

Do you believe in fate? Or do we make our own fate?
Sometimes I think no matter how hard you try to do something, it just doesnt happen. Circumstances like this can certainly make someone believe in fate.

arknor · 21 Oct 2009 at 21:52

NightSt@lk3r said:
Bet Barrichello was sick after his terrible Brazil race.

he wouldnt have done to bad if hamilton hadnt have gave him a puncture?
he always has crap luck at brazil anyway so i guess it was no suprise

FrankJH · 21 Oct 2009 at 22:05

arknor said:
he wouldnt have done to bad if hamilton hadnt have gave him a puncture?
he always has crap luck at brazil anyway so i guess it was no suprise

Woudlnt have made any difference, the WDC would still have been won by JB anyway, as Hamilton would have got past him either way with KERS

Rubens just didnt do enough in the first stint

MrLOL said:
as it stood he was far back enough to miss it all and rise to 5th before the race ended. plain good luck or fate ? you decide.

Who knows, but for sure it would have been much harder to be as surgical and precise with the overtaking if he had been further up, and the Champion's drive as its been rightly described wouldnt have been so

I still think though that JB in Rubens's pole would have done far better on the day even if Mark had still won

Mr Jack · 21 Oct 2009 at 22:09

NathanE said:
Do you mean WDC-style pressure? Or pressure from a car behind on the track?

I assume the former. And would agree.

Yeah, I meant WDC-style pressure.

arknor · 21 Oct 2009 at 22:34

Woudlnt have made any difference, the WDC would still have been won by JB anyway, as Hamilton would have got past him either way with KERS

Rubens just didnt do enough in the first stint

i know but it was hardly the terrible race someone said it was.

jensons would have been happy with a few of those not so long ago

Fourstar · 22 Oct 2009 at 00:03

Thomas. PLease. said:
I wanted the one with button as well if you have it?

Just came across one over here:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/lap71_mass_butt_inte_20091.jpg

From "Button’s championship win in pictures" gallery

FrankJH · 22 Oct 2009 at 00:25

arknor said:
i know but it was hardly the terrible race someone said it was.

jensons would have been happy with a few of those not so long ago

during that phase that you are talking about Jenson never dropped from Pole to 4th before the puncture - so that is what makes it the terrible race I originally called it (and stand by that description)

Jono8 · 22 Oct 2009 at 00:49

arknor said:
he wouldnt have done to bad if hamilton hadnt have gave him a puncture?
he always has crap luck at brazil anyway so i guess it was no suprise

I thought Barrichello had the puncture before Hamilton overtook him :confused:

Memphis · 22 Oct 2009 at 01:01

Jono8 said:
I thought Barrichello had the puncture before Hamilton overtook him

No. Hamilton gave Barrichello the puncture as Rubens squeezed him against the pitwall as Hamilton was moving to overtake him. The same contact that broke the righthand front wing endplate on Lewis' car.

Burned_Alive · 22 Oct 2009 at 01:33

Memphis said:
No. Hamilton gave Barrichello the puncture as Rubens squeezed him against the pitwall as Hamilton was moving to overtake him. The same contact that broke the righthand front wing endplate on Lewis' car.

Barrichello was complaining of the vibration (that was established to be the puncture) before Hamilton overtook him, so that's not possible. Not sure if there was contact at another point/time though.

utajoker · 22 Oct 2009 at 07:57

Burned_Alive said:
Barrichello was complaining of the vibration (that was established to be the puncture) before Hamilton overtook him, so that's not possible. Not sure if there was contact at another point/time though.

was about to say this.

but if it wasnt hamilton how did he damage his end plate?

FrankJH · 22 Oct 2009 at 08:53

bit immaterial - with KERS as an advantage along the pit straight (and Rubens was dog slow anyway) Lewis would have got past him

(I actually thought the puncture was caused by Lewis but much earlier in the lap than the cameras caught)

sunama · 22 Oct 2009 at 10:01

FrankJH said:
bit immaterial - with KERS as an advantage along the pit straight (and Rubens was dog slow anyway) Lewis would have got past him

Hang on, wasn't this "dog slow" car, ahead of Button, at that point? I thought Button only got ahead of Barrichello because of the puncture?

Duke · 22 Oct 2009 at 10:16

sunama said:
Hang on, wasn't this "dog slow" car, ahead of Button, at that point? I thought Button only got ahead of Barrichello because of the puncture?

They were 14 places apart on the grid to begin with :confused:

sunama · 22 Oct 2009 at 10:34

Duke said:
They were 14 places apart on the grid to begin with

Yep. And that was brought on by Button's lack of speed during qualifying. Button only got ahead of Barrichello because of outside interference (ie. puncture).

JRS · 22 Oct 2009 at 10:48

sunama said:
Button only got ahead of Barrichello because of outside interference (ie. puncture).

Even before that puncture Jenson was in a championship-winning position with Barrichello not being high enough up the order! Sorry sunama, but you aren't going to be able to find a way to take the gloss off Jenson's title no matter what you do

Kenai · 22 Oct 2009 at 11:02

Burned_Alive said:
Barrichello was complaining of the vibration (that was established to be the puncture) before Hamilton overtook him, so that's not possible. Not sure if there was contact at another point/time though.

He was complaining of a right rear vibration and the puncture was left rear wasn't it?

I also don't recall there being any mention of the vibration then being confirmed to be the puncture, I do remember Ted mentioning something about it being the wheel Lewis hit that was punctured though.

sunama · 22 Oct 2009 at 11:09

JRS said:
Even before that puncture Jenson was in a championship-winning position with Barrichello not being high enough up the order! Sorry sunama, but you aren't going to be able to find a way to take the gloss off Jenson's title no matter what you do

I don't want to take the shine off of his WDC win.
I've stated numerous times that out of all the drivers/cars this year, he deserved the title, if only for the 6 wins out of 7 races.

The point I am making though, is that he only beat Barrichello in this race due to an extraordinary incident (ie. a puncture to Barrichello's car) and not on merit.

dannyjo22 · 22 Oct 2009 at 11:17

I think it's pretty clear Jenson has always had better race pace than Rubens even in the races where he didn't qualify well.

The team will know this from studying the data.