It was the BTCC ref that fooled me - I seem to recall him being terrible at it
Interlagos - Brazilian Grand Prix 2009 - Race 16/17
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It was the BTCC ref that fooled me - I seem to recall him being terrible at it
Much harder.
It had little to do with money and everything to do with Prost being signed for 93. Mansell git in a huff and called a press conference to announce his retirement.
He wouldn't race with Prost again.
Personally I think it was a mistake, he could have beaten Prost in the 93 Williams. Mansell was good in his first year in Cart, the yanks never took to him and his theatrics though and 94 he was pretty dire.
95 was funniest though being too fat to get in the car
He was apart from the race in the wet IIRC. He didn't win that race despite the vid looking like he did. He finished 5th.
The rest he came nowhere but the mondeo was a pretty crap car, the rest of hius races where pretty poor.
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I hope so too. Would be interesting to see if he still has it.
I disagree. (Damn, that is becoming my mantra, I must think of a new phrase).
In an interview, Mansell stated that although he didn't like Prost, he was prepared to fight him for the championship in 1993. The problem happened when Mansell negotiated his contract for 1993. According to him, everything had been verbally agreed. Then, all of a sudden, Frank Williams wanted to make a cut price deal and that everything which was agreed was no longer agreed. Mansell got in a huff (and also didnt relish the idea of racing with Prost, again), recieved an offer from Indycar, accepted it and off he went.
Bear in mind that Prost had been confirmed at Williams for 1993, well in advance of Mansell's announcement of quitting F1. Mansell already knew Prost would be at Williams in 1993, however, he continued to negotiate his contract (and agreed verbally), to drive with Prost.
Mansell was at great pains to point out that he was not ducking a fight with Prost, for the 1993 title.
Looking at the constructors championship, the final race is going to be a crucial one for some teams:
The main one is between McLaren and Ferrari, who have already both overtaken Toyota who are dropping down quite quick after their decent start to the season. BMW's big up turn has brought them very close to Williams and I think they could beat them next race. Renault have been poor all season and are unlikely to be overtkane in points, but 8th out of 10 is shocking.
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01 Brawn-Mercedes 161
02 RBR-Renault 135.5
03 McLaren-Mercedes 71
04 Ferrari 70
05 Toyota 54.5
06 Williams-Toyota 34.5
07 BMW Sauber 32
08 Renault 26
09 Force India-Mercedes 13
10 STR-Ferrari 7The main one is between McLaren and Ferrari, who have already both overtaken Toyota who are dropping down quite quick after their decent start to the season. BMW's big up turn has brought them very close to Williams and I think they could beat them next race. Renault have been poor all season and are unlikely to be overtkane in points, but 8th out of 10 is shocking.
Indeed.
In an average car (across the whole season), Hamilton has done pretty well. I still feel though, he must learn to taper his aggression in the final laps of a GP, as in general, that has resulted in him losing more points that he has gained.
The fact that he has outscored all F1 drivers, over the last 3 years, since his arrival, speaks volumes of just how good he is. Despite him making silly mistakes at times, he has still topped the points standings.
That's a bit unfair given than Massa's missed the last 8? races?! Was Massa ahead on points before his accident?
It certainly is.
Also consider that Toyota are the biggest spenders in F1, yet they are getting very poor returns. Seriously, heads should roll. Given that they have the biggest budget at their disposal, I don't understand why they don't simply go about buying the services of the best people in their discipline.
In 1996, Ferrari did exactly this. At the time, Ferrari were the ones with the highest budget in F1. They made R.Brawn, R.Byrne and M.Schumacher the highest paid employees in their disciplines. I don't understand why Toyota haven't followed the same strategy. They could've lured R.Brawn and Alonso to Toyota, during the last 2 years. Had they done this, I'm sure 2010 would've been looking great for them.
Massa would've needed to outscore Hamilton this year, by a substantial margin, to be ahead of him in a 3 season, cumulative points total. Not impossible, but unlikely.
Mansell was undermined when Aryton lied and said he would drive at williams for free. Williams used it as a bargaining tool with mansells salary. Prost though had a veto on Senna at williams so williams were powerless.
In the end it never turned out to be about money because Williams offered him the amount they originally agreed upon but mansell still walked. He doubted he would get equal treatment with prost.
In the end mansell left because of prost, not money. His ego was hurt and despite williams backing down the fool still went on with the press conference.
He admits himself in hindsight he made a mistake and should have stuck it out.
Hamilton is also the only one of the main contenders to have been in a consistently good car for 2 years and an improving one this year.
Its like saying Villeneuve is awesome because the three years of 96,97 and 98 he outscored his rivals MS, Hakk, Hill, HHF and DC.
Hamilton has had a far better car on average over 3 years compared to Alonso, Kimi, Massa has time out etc etc.
As I showed before you can massage F1 stats anyway you like and they don't always show the complete picture.
Soldato
He won Indy car series i think thats successful
yes the only guy to be world champ in F1 and indycar at the same time
so yeah he was successful
Actually Im not so sure Renault cant catch BMW (depending on the countback situation) - given that no team has any data at all on the track I would bet Alonso could be 3rd in the race with a good quali. Im sure that pitlane will catch a few out with walls so close on either side. They probably have 1 - 10 chance, but occasionally thats all Alonso needs
Its also all between Kimi and Lewis for the constructors (whats the betting Kimi gets one place ahead but due to countback wins Lewis actually gets the 3rd place......and Massa outscores Kovi lol)
With a class leading car for 2 1/2 seasons thats not really surprising is it? (equally leading maybe, but still leading - its only first half of this year where he had a real dog)
He has done very weill - without question - and thrown away at a guess 50 points + over that time , but its not THAT amazing
You said it far better than I did - he does tend to do that a lot lol
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Soldato
Well Mansell is a good driver, but his career is litterd with mistakes due to putting his mouth in motion without his brain in gear...
Sad but true, he is his own worst enemy sometimes.
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Yeah, he's still far from perfect. I think he's already shown he has the talent to become one of F1's greats; but he's a very long way from actually being one of F1's greats. To do that he needs to improve several areas of his driving, deal better with pressure and keep showing the same speed for years to come. And not have silly crashes.
The not having silly crashes bit is important.
Soldato
Do you mean WDC-style pressure? Or pressure from a car behind on the track?
I assume the former. And would agree.
Hamilton had far far more cracks showing when under WDC pressure than Button did this year. Though in 2007 Hamilton didn't really show any pressure until the last race when his hands were visibly shaking before the race.
Although, to balance that, Jenson Button has indicated now that he bottled his WDC pressure up. He said he was sick
o LOL) after his terrible Brazil qualifying, for example.
Soldato
Bet Barrichello was sick after his terrible Brazil race.He said he was sick
Although, to balance that, Jenson Button has indicated now that he bottled his WDC pressure up. He said he was sick
Yes both deal with it differently but I think we can all agree neither of them had pressure get to them or bottle it like the German multiple world champion