I'd have to agree. Mansell proved his "pure driving talent" over many mediums of the sport from F1 to Indy Car, BTCC etc. The guy had skill...
Interlagos - Brazilian Grand Prix 2009 - Race 16/17
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I'd have to agree. Mansell proved his "pure driving talent" over many mediums of the sport from F1 to Indy Car, BTCC etc. The guy had skill...
The first GP I ever saw was the 1992 Monaco GP, when Senna was leading Mansell, after Mansell had to have an extra pit stop. Mansell was seconds/lap faster, but just couldnt get past Senna. I had no idea who Mansell was; all I knew was that he was British and this had me willing him to get past the evil Senna.
That race got me into F1 and encouraged me to look at races from previous years. 1991 was a great year, if you are fan of Williams/Mansell. That year, Mansell+Patrese+Williams took on Senna+Berger+McLaren. They lost, but it was exciting. In 1992, they reversed the result.
I loved those races where literally all the drivers were involved in the championship battles (No.1 drivers fought for the drivers' title and No.2 drivers fought for constructors title). Something tells me that next year (providing Kimi moves to McLaren), we are going to see a MAJOR fight between Ferrari and McLaren, similar to what we saw in 1991 ;P
That race got me into F1 and encouraged me to look at races from previous years. 1991 was a great year, if you are fan of Williams/Mansell. That year, Mansell+Patrese+Williams took on Senna+Berger+McLaren. They lost, but it was exciting. In 1992, they reversed the result.
I loved those races where literally all the drivers were involved in the championship battles (No.1 drivers fought for the drivers' title and No.2 drivers fought for constructors title). Something tells me that next year (providing Kimi moves to McLaren), we are going to see a MAJOR fight between Ferrari and McLaren, similar to what we saw in 1991 ;P
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Just doesn't look like a racing driver either (not that they all look similar) but he just looks more like a Cricketer or somethinglol
He could have been a professional golfer if he wanted!
However, as they say never meet your heroes. I met him twice, once at the Norisring DTM race when they had him, Prost etc. in DTM cars and then once at a GP Masters test and both times he was rude and abrupt with me. Bloody brummies.
He has struggled in quali - yes undoubtedly
Show me several races this year where he was definitively slower than Barrichello (I will give you Valencia as a helping hand - because I dont believe there was another race all year
) - after all you can only be as perfect as the car you are in, even if you are Hamilton (forgettable during majority of early season in an awful car)I will even allow you to select any race this season - even those after Turkey, when the brakes where more in Rubens' favour
I guess the 6th palce finish wasn't that bad. could have had Button but he didn't want to spoil his day
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You mean when Button was coasting to the line (look at how far back Kimi was a couple of laps before - JB was managing the time difference - even in modern f1 the time at the line was 4s which is a country mile at that stage of the race
He needs to boost his wages after taking a 50% paycut to drive the car (and paying his own travel expenses) hahaha
Was he actually ever successful in Indycar or BTCC or was it more like his comeback to F1 when he could barely fit in the car?
Jacques Villeneave - now he undoubtedly had skill, and a champion in both Indy/Cart and F1
There is a prime example of your twisted logic lol
Surely if both team members compete for the drivers title - then the team automatically gain (yeah yeah yeah - you can always write in a contract "you must NEVER take your team mate off" to cover the team) and have oodles of points for the constructors
Dont get me wrong - look at Red Bull this season, maybe if they had backed Vettel first off he would have been 2 points better off right now ....from MW other win....in Germany or was it Hungary? (without considering other results that could have been engineered to be swapped) - but who's saying that would have demotivated Mark to not win in Brazil in the first place
Fine if you have someone a lot less experienced then fair enough - but I dont agree with automatic No1 status when one driver has just joined the team / equal experience or stuff like that
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I'm hoping we see JV in F1 next year, he's gotta be better a 19 year old GP2 runner up.
Mansell in BTCC gotta love it
from a rookie season point of view (and when he won the title in 97) he was immense though
Admittedly he was Cart champ during his rookie f1 season , but others have come across and failed dismally which imo shows how damned good he really was (even if BAR from his point of view was a dismal failure)
Hehe a subject close to my heart
I'm hoping not. He had it all but blew it with what he would call loyalty staying with pollock and I would call stupidity.
It also didn't help when the cars changed from wider cars with wider slicks to narrow cars with grooved tyres. JV never adapted and dealt with that. He was 100% pure racer as mansell was. I doubt mansell would have taken to those cars either and passing in the pitlane.
The irony is the cars are now getting back to a format JV would have loved. He was the biggest person to speak out against the 98 rule changes and how bad they were for F1. He was reprimanded for it and 10 years later it turns out he was right.
It's because they are asked. They don't phone up autosport to put their comments out there. F1 is devoid of any personality and drivers fans can really take to. They have become drivers with little to say or cannot structure a sentence without 'for sure'. I'd rather F1 was full of drivers with a little more about them and something to say. F1 is passionless.
BAR in 2000 was when he peaked. His greatest year. Even though MS won Ferrari's first title in 20 odd years Villenueve was voted Italian F1 racing driver of the year. That says a lot about how the Italians and Ferrari fans connected with Schumacher. 'For sure' they liked winning but I'm sure they would have been happier winning half as much with some charisma and passion.
JV's time has passed it would do no one any favours to run him now in anything other than a test for fun and promotion. He raced like alo of the old boys, wheel to wheel without running a driver off the road or cutting off the track. Despite leaving that space when todays drivers don't he is still the hardest driver to pass I've ever seen.
I'm hoping not. He had it all but blew it with what he would call loyalty staying with pollock and I would call stupidity.
It also didn't help when the cars changed from wider cars with wider slicks to narrow cars with grooved tyres. JV never adapted and dealt with that. He was 100% pure racer as mansell was. I doubt mansell would have taken to those cars either and passing in the pitlane.
The irony is the cars are now getting back to a format JV would have loved. He was the biggest person to speak out against the 98 rule changes and how bad they were for F1. He was reprimanded for it and 10 years later it turns out he was right.
It's because they are asked. They don't phone up autosport to put their comments out there. F1 is devoid of any personality and drivers fans can really take to. They have become drivers with little to say or cannot structure a sentence without 'for sure'. I'd rather F1 was full of drivers with a little more about them and something to say. F1 is passionless.
BAR in 2000 was when he peaked. His greatest year. Even though MS won Ferrari's first title in 20 odd years Villenueve was voted Italian F1 racing driver of the year. That says a lot about how the Italians and Ferrari fans connected with Schumacher. 'For sure' they liked winning but I'm sure they would have been happier winning half as much with some charisma and passion.
JV's time has passed it would do no one any favours to run him now in anything other than a test for fun and promotion. He raced like alo of the old boys, wheel to wheel without running a driver off the road or cutting off the track. Despite leaving that space when todays drivers don't he is still the hardest driver to pass I've ever seen.
Was looking for JV's parabolica pass and found this one. Good old diniz
Anyone whose stood at the parabolica would understand why this move was unbelievable.
In 1992, he won the WDC, breaking virtually all records that could be broken in F1, in a single season.
After Frank Williams was being tight with salary negotiations (as per normal), Mansell left for IndyCar.
In his debut, 1993 season, he exceeded all expectations and won the PPG Indycar Series World Title.
For me, Mansell was the best all-round driver in 1992/3 (along with Senna, who probably had his best year in 1993 (skill-wise, not points-wise)).
Harder than Trulli?
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If you ignore the silliness that was Trulligate, Hamilton took a absolute dog of a car into the points paying positions in each of the first four races; had it not been for Trulligate (which was - of course - completely fair, I'm not arguing it, but it doesn't speak to his actual performance) he would have been sitting 4th in the Championship after Bahrain.