Intermittent Fasting

I have been on a Juice fast since Friday and I'm already down 8 pounds

All I have been juicing is Natural Vegetables and Fruits, 5 times a day 500ml.

I've never had as much energy as this before its amazing.

This is the best way to loose weight and a great way to clean your body out of the amount of crap which is still inside you which you don't even know about.

It's a great Reset for the body before you really try a new diet.
 
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I have been on a Juice fast since Friday and I'm already down 8 pounds

All I have been juicing is Natural Vegetables and Fruits, 5 times a day 500ml.

I've never had as much energy as this before its amazing.

This is the best way to loose weight and a great way to clean your body out of the amount of crap which is still inside you which you don't even know about.

It's a great Reset for the body before you really try a new diet.

Sounds like a great way to pump your body full of sugar and miss out on key food groups. Your body already cleans itself out, that's what your liver is for, there's no need to go on a juice diet, just cut out processed/junk food (or better yet don't eat it in the first place).
 
Andy my interwebz... coach, I guess, did this short blog post about the BBC doc on his site:
http://rippedbody.jp/2012/08/12/intermittent-fasting-bbc-horizon/

He's obviously a huge proponent of IF, but he's also not a loon either lol:

It was great to see the BBC picking up on Intermittent Fasting this week in an hour long episode of Horizon. As a popular show, it will have been watched by millions of people. When I posted this on Facebook Lyle McDonald shot back with this:

“Predicting the future: folks in the UK will now adopt IF’ing. They will starve all day and binge eat at night and wonder why they are still fat.”

Unfortunately, I think he’s right. People will miss the wood for the trees. There is a very clear nutritional hierarchy of importance for losing fat:

1. Calorie Intake vs Expenditure > 2. Macronutrient Split > … 3. Timing

Simply skipping breakfast is not going to get you magically lean and shredded. Never lose sight of this and don’t let your friends fall into the trap. I’d like to talk about this and a couple of other points raised in the documentary. In broad simple terms:

Calorie intake vs expenditure controls whether you gain or lose weight. The macronutrient composition of your diet (carbs/fats/protein) controls the ratio of how much fat vs muscle is lost/gained. Nutrient timing, for the non-athlete, is a very distant third. -All the research so far backs this up.

This means that you are much better off putting your efforts into getting the right quantity of food and macronutrients for the day before stressing over the timing of things; it means you don’t have to always sprint home from the gym to get a post workout meal in your “anabolic window”; and most importantly it means that you can’t just stuff your face with reckless abandon, thinking that the fat burning during the morning fast will take care of it. Yes, fasting – which is a part of nutrient timing don’t forget – can help with stubborn fat loss, but only when the other two things are firmly in place.

The journalist did a “5:2″ version of IF, where he ate just one small lunch (~500kCal) on two days of the week and then just ate whatever he wanted for the rest. Blood lipids improved and he lost a lot of fat. -Fairly painless, very simple, and gives the benefits of fasting.

Michael also tried Alternate Day Fasting (ADF). The scientist that has been studying people doing ADF said she found that as long as people hit their macro targets for the “fast day” despite the instruction to “eat whatever they wanted” on the other days people wouldn’t over-eat enough to undo the previous day’s good work. -There was still an overall calorie deficit.

In looking at ADF vs 5:2 it’s quite easy to see why, that’s 7 vs 4 fast days in a two week period which is a significantly greater deficit. Would this make ADF better for the average person then? Probably not. Michael said he found it too restrictive whereas the 5:2 was manageable. The key to success with the 5:2 though is to eat “normally” on your regular days rather than binge.

The above two methods work through calorie restriction. -Number 1 in our hierarchy. While this isn’t going to give a gym trainee the very best results (try the Leangains principles), they are free, very simple and perhaps a good introductory step or way to help out an overweight friend that wants to diet.

The documentary goes pretty heavily into extolling the benefits of IF as a life extension tool / way to prevent diseases by keeping IGF-1 low. Let’s not pretend here, the first thing you thought when you heard this wasn’t about living a happy and cancer-free life till you’re 90 was it? You thought, “Oh ****, does that mean it will affect my muscle gains?” Fortunately the answer I believe is no.

To quote Alan Aragon here,

“While it is true that IGF-1 can have powerful effects within the muscle, we also have to keep in mind that it’s the muscle-specific variant of IGF-1 – now commonly known as Mechano Growth Factor (MGF) – that is relevant to muscle anabolism. The circulating form has very little effect on skeletal muscle.”

Or as Reddit user Arrozconplantano put it quite succinctly,

“There is no evidence systemic IGF-1 causes hypertrophy. It’s not worth thinking about.”

If this really concerns you then feel free to go and pester Martin or Alan about it. They are far smarter then me and will be able to give you better answers.

tl;dr
 
Sounds like a great way to pump your body full of sugar and miss out on key food groups. Your body already cleans itself out, that's what your liver is for, there's no need to go on a juice diet, just cut out processed/junk food (or better yet don't eat it in the first place).

There is NO sugar, maybe the odd apple,carrot etc
Apart from that its all of the best Vegetables you could possibly have which is the best thing for your body wants. If you knew anything about Micro-nutrients and how your body absorbs them then you would know how much this is good for you.
 
10 days of IF with a couple of normal days - from 104 down to 101kg. I am going to keep going until I plateau. The weekends are difficult due to social activities but along as you keep it healthy its not too bad.
 
There is NO sugar, maybe the odd apple,carrot etc
Apart from that its all of the best Vegetables you could possibly have which is the best thing for your body wants. If you knew anything about Micro-nutrients and how your body absorbs them then you would know how much this is good for you.

Does your body not need any protein/fats then?
 
I have been on a Juice fast since Friday and I'm already down 8 pounds

All I have been juicing is Natural Vegetables and Fruits, 5 times a day 500ml.

I've never had as much energy as this before its amazing.

This is the best way to loose weight and a great way to clean your body out of the amount of crap which is still inside you which you don't even know about.

It's a great Reset for the body before you really try a new diet.
Good god, why do you keep harping on about this?!
 
I have been on a Juice fast since Friday and I'm already down 8 pounds

All I have been juicing is Natural Vegetables and Fruits, 5 times a day 500ml.

I've never had as much energy as this before its amazing.

This is the best way to loose weight and a great way to clean your body out of the amount of crap which is still inside you which you don't even know about.

It's a great Reset for the body before you really try a new diet.

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I am currently moving through weight loss again after loosing 3 stone last year, i got down from 16 to 13 while training pretty hard at the gym and regular cardio with a super clean diet, i then started playing golf and going to the gym less and less and my eating habits got sloppy and i found my self back at 15 stone.
I am currently back at 13st 11lbs but im booked for a hernia repair Thursday and im going to find my self unable to exercise or be any sort of beneficially active towards weight loss and was wondering if this is suited to controlling a steady fat loss with minimal input from cardio etc with minimal impact on muscle mass?
 
There is NO sugar, maybe the odd apple,carrot etc
Apart from that its all of the best Vegetables you could possibly have which is the best thing for your body wants. If you knew anything about Micro-nutrients and how your body absorbs them then you would know how much this is good for you.

If you knew anything about the way the body works then you would know what a waste of time it is.
 
Started my first day of 16/8 today. I get to eat in half an hour or so, although truth be told I'm not really that hungry at the moment, so I might give it a bit longer.

Any updates from people who have been doing this since the last post in September?
 
I've been doing a 16/8 IF diet now for about 2 and a half months,

My total calorific intake has remained pretty much the same as before & my weight loss speed has increased.

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Notice the annoying 0.5 a week/ish for two months in the middle... no idea what happened then lol (stuck to the diet the whole time).

I started at 215 (apr) in Jan - hopefully will hit 165 by the end of the year to land me at around 11.5 stone (well within my BMI).
 
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Oh yes of course;.... it makes you erm... more efficient at erm... making calories disappear into thin air!!!
It was a deficit the entire time, which was maintained when I switched to IF.

My total calorie deficit remained at an average of 1,700 a day (ish).

Eating a "maintenance calorie amount" ≠ maintaining the amount of calories consumed :).

If your calorific intake has been maintained then you have added more activity, else you would not be losing weight. :)
In short, calorific intake can be maintained at a deficit.
 
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Right, I know all about these things (cos I'm sad like that :p), but your post made it sound as though you weren't on a calorie deficit. :) Irrespective of IF or not, if you're on a calorie deficit you will lose weight :)

Well done, and keep it up! :)
 
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Right, I know all about these things, but your post made it sound as though you weren't on a calorie deficit. :) Irrespective of IF or not, if you're on a calorie deficit you will lose weight :)

Well done, and keep it up! :)
Ahh, I thought it was obvious from the post (my bad :) ).

From what I've seen so far (I know personal experience is hardly statistically significant but it's better than nothing).

Doing IF while maintaining a calorie deficit & activity levels to a standard eating pattern while dieting seems to have increased my rate of weight loss.

(pretty much following a standard lean-gains style IF system with 3 strength workouts a week & 1hour20mins a day walking-ish).

To be honest, it may not be anything to do with IF specifically (my weight loss has always been inconsistent from month to month) - I'd encourage others to try it simply because it effectively bans all snacks for most of the day (which is where most people slip up, not not the case for myself as I've been pretty good at the dieting part - just getting the gym which can be annoying).
 
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