Soldato
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You add that and make yourself look an idiot. Why would you come into this section?
iOS6 Changing how you see the world
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You add that and make yourself look an idiot. Why would you come into this section?
Because the thread has been moved and I've already posted here.
I'm not having a dig at any normal users who care about the tech, not the brand.
It's not like I haven't owned any Apple devices either.
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Maybe because he is following a thread that originally stated in mobile and got moved here for some reason which has now as expected turned into a battle.
Edit: Damn you Mr Krugga.
From a consumer's point of view, the reason why you wouldn't want an SD slot is performance.
By soldering the memory onto the circuit board, Apple knows all of the characteristics of the memory. With this information, they can optimise the operating system to take advantage of its speed and workaround any quirks that the memory might have. They also don't need to worry about conforming to the SD card spec, meaning that can take advantage of new technology straight away.
With an SD card, there's no guarantees. It might be a great SD card from SanDisk or it might be some cheap knock-off from China. The operating system is forced into more error checking and often assumes a worst-case scenario. I used to write operating system code for a living and SD cards were a nightmare. Only SanDisk properly conforms to the specs and manufacturers end up having to publish a white-list of compatible cards to stop themselves getting sued by consumers.
Guaranteed performance is why it has always been possible to install apps to the flash memory on an iOS device but hasn't always been possible to do the same on other platforms.
By soldering the memory onto the circuit board, Apple knows all of the characteristics of the memory. With this information, they can optimise the operating system to take advantage of its speed and workaround any quirks that the memory might have. They also don't need to worry about conforming to the SD card spec, meaning that can take advantage of new technology straight away.
With an SD card, there's no guarantees. It might be a great SD card from SanDisk or it might be some cheap knock-off from China. The operating system is forced into more error checking and often assumes a worst-case scenario. I used to write operating system code for a living and SD cards were a nightmare. Only SanDisk properly conforms to the specs and manufacturers end up having to publish a white-list of compatible cards to stop themselves getting sued by consumers.
Guaranteed performance is why it has always been possible to install apps to the flash memory on an iOS device but hasn't always been possible to do the same on other platforms.
It needs to get a lot better quickly! 
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Firstly, in engineering and design there are trade-offs. This isn't opinion, this is fact. Given I work in Aerospace, I'm pretty clued up in that regard.
Secondly, to clear up my point, was that the SG3 may have an SD card slot because it is a bigger phone due to other design choices and therefore has space for it.
Thanks. I'm a sheep because I've been using Apple kit since 1995? Also are you saying every single Apple owner is a sheep? Narrow-minded much?
I haven't said anywhere intensionally that the SD card isn't a priority on some-peoples purchase requirements. If it is yours, then the iPhone isn't for you.
Back to the thread, I thought this might be useful for some people:
There are options in Settings/Maps to change the size of the label text, with smaller sizes allowing for more names to be shown:
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Good for you. Are you by any chance installing microelectronics on the aircraft? Because I'm pretty sure allowing for external storage isn't that big of a deal, given the sheer number of Android phones that allow for it.
I think the biggest trade-off is that Apple wouldn't be able to charge you £100 extra for £10 worth of storage. That is a real issue for them, and I'm sure you know it as an understanding Apple consumer.
Now you're implying that SGS3 is the only phone that allows for external SD. There are many smaller phones, around the iPhone's dimensions, that allow for external SD. And I'm sure Apple's genius engineers would be able to implement a solution without any major issues.
Thanks. I'm a sheep because I've been using Apple kit since 1995? Also are you saying every single Apple owner is a sheep? Narrow-minded much?
No, you're a sheep because you're defending a closed design that isn't consumer friendly in this instance. And your defensive stance on the subject is more than laughable. You don't allow for the possibility that your needs may not represent the majority. I'm pretty sure that if external storage was an option, most users would make a use of it.
I have not known that you had been using Apple computers since 1995, nor do I think it has anything to do with the subject of our discussion. I've never called "every single Apple owner" a sheep. Although I'm not sure if you mean the users of their products or shareholders.
No, but you said that you don't need nor want an external storage, therefore nobody else should want it on their iPhones, and if they think otherwise, they should get another phone. Doesn't that sound like some narrow-minded comment by an Apple fanboy? It does to me.
Anyway, I won't trouble you no more, I think I've expressed my position enough already. I appreciate that your opinion differs to mine, but do mind that people may not take your opinions seriously if you take a very extreme stance on the subject, and aren't open to the possibility that your beloved product may be flawed in some ways.
I like the build quality of Apple products, even with some flaws the new iPhone is much sturdier than SGS3, and the industrial design appeals to me. Battery life is exceptional, screen quality among the best, and the OS is smooth and well polished for the most part. With that said, I do prefer the open design of Android that allows me for much greater flexibility, but I wouldn't call myself an average user. I don't like overpaying for smartphones either, which is why cashback deals on Android phones are more desired for my needs, when I can often get the phone shortly after its release for 60-70% of the original cost, including the contract.
Windows 8 is shaping up nicely, so that may be my next upgrade, but I don't see myself going back to Apple any time soon.
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Krugga is a blatant android troll! if I wanted SD card I would go buy a phone with one, I havent used SD cards for over 5 years, theres just no need to these days what with icloud dropbox etc.
in short **** off back to the mobile phone forum and stop trolling here, I get it you dont like the iphone, well go back to plastic fantastic phones and GTFO of here
in short **** off back to the mobile phone forum and stop trolling here, I get it you dont like the iphone, well go back to plastic fantastic phones and GTFO of here
Ad do those similar size phones to iPhone and with sd card, have the LtE chip, uni body deisgns no the rest which all take up space?
The iPhone is one phone, is designed for mass appeal, not for everyone's needs. That's the way it is, if it doesn't fit your bill, then buy something else.
Are you going to complain how much android phone companies charge for extra internal storage, they are very close to apples prices.
The iPhone is one phone, is designed for mass appeal, not for everyone's needs. That's the way it is, if it doesn't fit your bill, then buy something else.
Are you going to complain how much android phone companies charge for extra internal storage, they are very close to apples prices.
Yes there is a need for sdcards or people would'nt waste their money on 32/64GB iPhones.
I see your point, but if Apple wanted to implement external SD for their consumers, they would do so. It's not impossible, it's not limited by space, but as you have said, it can go against the unibody design. Which is a different argument to what some other people were making. But the money argument is the most important one, some Android manufacturers do exactly the same thing, don't allow their users to add external storage so they can charge extra for higher capacity devices.
I do complain about that, but not in a thread that has nothing to do with Android phones. It wasn't brought by me, I wasn't only discussing a flawed argument that Concorde Rules came up with. And no, they aren't that close at all. But that's irrelevant here anyway.
By no means did I mean to troll this thread with an argument whether iPhone should or should not include a slot for SD cards. I think it could, I think it won't, and I think the main reason is money Apple would lose in the process. But if you want to lie to yourselves thinking otherwise, it's your choice. The subject was not brought by me, but I think misleading other users in this thread is not good for the community, and it's a discussion forum after all, so why wouldn't I join it?
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Apple could work a sdcard slot in quite easily if they wanted they manage to with the simcard slot. Everyone know that manufacturers milk money for expanded memory but usually the same manufacturers offer a sdcard slot as well, some people perceive that Apple intentionally omit the sdcards to restrict choice to get more money.
You have to have a SIM card and they've cut he size down again to save space. Oh and before someone says it, you can cut a normal sim down to the new size. Giffgaff sent out a nice video showing how. So it doesn't lock the system down at all.
Lie to myself, why do I need to lie to myself? I haven't upgrade and I'm moving to wp8, I have nothing to lie to myself for.
iPhone packs a lot into a small space and remains exceptionally strong, and always comes out extremely well in drop tests. Another of my big concerns moving to wp8 is drop survivability.
Lie to myself, why do I need to lie to myself? I haven't upgrade and I'm moving to wp8, I have nothing to lie to myself for.
iPhone packs a lot into a small space and remains exceptionally strong, and always comes out extremely well in drop tests. Another of my big concerns moving to wp8 is drop survivability.
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What?
That part of my comment wasn't really aimed at you, it just came out with your quote, since the text flowed better that way. Either way, I meant it for iPhone users who think it's a build limitation of the device that prevents Apple from implementing external storage.
And see my previous comment, I have praised iPhones for quite a few of their aspects. I am able to see flaws in phones from every camp and I appreciate that they may be targeted at different audience. With that said, I don't think there would be anything wrong for the consumers having the option of external storage and most would probably welcome the change. I'm also tempted by a Win 8 device, but the build quality and design are of concern to me.
Ninja edit was to slow, I mistook diablo for you.
You misunderstood what i meant, you said the unibody design was a reason not to have a sdcard slot. I said that they manage to fit a slot for the sim card so if they wanted it would'nt take much to have a slot of a sdcard as well.
Squeezing everything into a small space is a problem,. It also has LtE chip and such which other lower end phones with sd slots don't. At no point, was the point that due to uniboady deisgn can you not put slots in. It's about space available and size of phone.
It's all about using components that take less space and less power. As we can see from the screen used.
Sd cards have limitations, no OS really likes them. Not even Android likes SD cards. Hence the exclusion from nexus devices. They have technical and security issues windows excluded them, but now have them back due to a selling point. Even then by the looks of it only sd card will act as mass storage due to security and like android seems a fair few wont even have sd cards.
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