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Seems like the morons are back in town/GT3 :(

Hadnt even got half a lap in, and i'd had 3 people hit me from behind.
Fortunately it didnt give me damage, managed to get up to 10th from 16th in the early laps before pushing a little too hard out of a corner and dropped places.

Was in 15th until the last lap, and some idiot spun, used the full width and more of the track to face the right way, and then spun it getting back onto the center of the track.
I went inside (where he'd been) and despite zero contact, it destroyed my FR end, and lost 2 places from people a few sec behind me. So instead of benefitting a place from his screw-up he wrecked my car, gave me a further 4x i didnt deserve, and cost me 2 places.

Absolute morons. Idiots who dont know you cant simply turn off grass onto tarmac, and slow drivers who insist on slowing down faster drivers. Someone decided they'd fight the 2nd fastest driver on the server, who had been 4th, for P14. Faster guy was ruddy useless, and that resulted in the guy behind me catching from 3sec back, and passing the damn 3 of us in about 2 laps!
It really puzzles me why drivers who are the equivalent of Max Chilton decide to aggressively fight for a position with the equivalent of Alonso, with less than half distance passed.

After all that, despite being the 2nd lowest iR in the race, starting 16th, finishing 15th, and being hit by 4 cars, i left with -5 iR and -0.32 SR.
The only guy who was lower in iR then me finished right in front of me, and only got +3 despite finishing ahead of 9ppl. Makes zero sense, if you beat better drivers, you get -5 iR or +3. What a joke.
 
PaulC2K said:
Seems like the morons are back in town/GT3 :(
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Did they ever leave? :D I'm the first to admit if something was my fault but I remember last season I had a run of about 5-6 races where I was shunted off the track, dive bombed or otherwise totalled out of my control in GT3, the standard of driving can be truly abysmal. You're better off joining a private league or pick a less popular series to get the most rewarding experience these days sadly, particularly if you're in the lower splits like I was it was always 1 step forward 2 back in terms of IR.
 
FFS! THREE attempts to post this damn message, bloody token expired ********.


I've watched the replay, and 3 of the 4 hits were all the same bloody person!

He's intentionally held up the field on the start, guns it out of the corner and then flies past people who'd been following race instructions! He slams into the side of my car while changing lanes, even though he had 2 cars width to go into, apparently he wanted the space i occupied. As a result, someone inadvertantly runs into the back of my car, so they've got a 4x for his stupidity too.

I get a clean run into T1 as people ran wider lines, have free choice of lane into T1, 3 cars infront follow each other on the inside, so i pass them all and go side-by-side with Mr Moron, i manage to get free out of T4 on the run down to the hairpin, he doesnt bother braking cautiously, just runs into the back of me, and then goes side by side with me through the hairpin & chicane! No deal.

The 3rd time, being explained in the previous post. Doesnt know how to recover a car, and drives 180 from the right side of grass, across the track and onto the left side, before inevitably losing grip from tarmac to grass on half the car and not the other, and spins into the middle of the track with 4 cars pretty much nose to tail.
For some reason, the lap chart doesnt log any contact, its there on my final incident tally, and i certainly had the damage from it.

I absolutely hate people like this, he's a 3600 iR driver too, one who clearly doesnt know how to drive around others. He'll probably win a decent number of races, but stick a car infront of him and he'll punt it off and carry on.

What makes it worse though is that, despite the little effort it'd take to apologise, they couldnt give a damn.
 
Im getting to the point where im going to start Plato'ing people!

3 races, not a single one of them even remotely clean.
Just attempted the 3rd, and some incompetent moron, who went on to hit another FIVE people in the 6 laps they completed, just basically figured they'd brake at their normal brake point into T2 on the first lap. Hits the guy alongside me, then spins me, and someone completely innocent in it all has to go around the corner and onto the grass to avoid me, ends up tapping my LR corner, and that completely destroys my car, black flag, with 5min of repairs required. I tried it with the basic repairs, and it just wasnt drivable in right handed corners, so had to go back in for the 3min+ repairs, which proceeded to fill my tank up with fuel.

So 3 races in, ive lost 1.04 SR and 99 iR, and for what? Other people who drive like idiots, in the top splits. So far, the only races ive actually enjoyed, have been the 70 & 144min ones. The 30min races are filled with morons who belong in games like Forza, and yet im expected to pay for this service. Its beyond a joke.

So far, ZERO apologies. If i'd gone into these races and just barged my way through the field and ruined other peoples races, i'd be in a better position than im in now. Theres absolutely no point in submitting a protest, because the iR developers honestly couldnt give a damn. If they're not driving the wrong way around the track screaming obscenities, they'll do sod all.
 
It is worth protesting, that's why it's there, even if they don't deem it worthy of a suspension/slap on the wrists straight away all protests are logged, if the same driver keeps getting protested for driving like an idiot then they will take past behaviour into account and start talking to them/suspending them.

By not protesting at all that will never happen so yeah, these idiots will just continue as normal.
 
I had a guy who obviously was punted off at the start and ended up being lapped. When I can up to him, I lapped him, but he was obviously quicker than me and insisted on pressuring me all the time. In the end I told him to pass me and drive off so I could concentrate on my own race. But he just maintained a lap time to stay just in front of me. I had to threaten him with a protest in the end, saying there was no way I was going to race him because he was a lap down.

It basically ruined the race for me, because I think I could have caught up to the group in front if I hadn't been looking in my mirrors all the time, waiting to be dive bombed by a lapped car.
 
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The amount of time you have to give back for corner cutting is just plain stupid.

Clippping the cone on the outside of the track, just before turn 16 of Sebring was considered cutting.

So I slowed right down in to the final corner, lost a place, but it still wasn't enough and after crossing the line I get a 15 second stop go.

Rage quit.

And now the IR and SR loss will be massively disproportionate to any gains I made the previous four races.
 
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PaulC2K said:
Im getting to the point where im going to start Plato'ing people!

3 races, not a single one of them even remotely clean.
Just attempted the 3rd, and some incompetent moron, who went on to hit another FIVE people in the 6 laps they completed, just basically figured they'd brake at their normal brake point into T2 on the first lap. Hits the guy alongside me, then spins me, and someone completely innocent in it all has to go around the corner and onto the grass to avoid me, ends up tapping my LR corner, and that completely destroys my car, black flag, with 5min of repairs required. I tried it with the basic repairs, and it just wasnt drivable in right handed corners, so had to go back in for the 3min+ repairs, which proceeded to fill my tank up with fuel.

So 3 races in, ive lost 1.04 SR and 99 iR, and for what? Other people who drive like idiots, in the top splits. So far, the only races ive actually enjoyed, have been the 70 & 144min ones. The 30min races are filled with morons who belong in games like Forza, and yet im expected to pay for this service. Its beyond a joke.

So far, ZERO apologies. If i'd gone into these races and just barged my way through the field and ruined other peoples races, i'd be in a better position than im in now. Theres absolutely no point in submitting a protest, because the iR developers honestly couldnt give a damn. If they're not driving the wrong way around the track screaming obscenities, they'll do sod all.
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You should try the MX5 cup, it's rather funny at times. While I feel that SR does work correctly 70% of the time it's still frustrating when somebody spins off, t bones you and you get the contact. I'm not really aggressive anymore as it's just not worth it as other racers seem unable to race hard and fair. They just end up missing their breaking point or just turning into you.
 
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The amount of time you have to give back for corner cutting is just plain stupid.

Clippping the cone on the outside of the track, just before turn 16 of Sebring was considered cutting.

So I slowed right down in to the final corner, lost a place, but it still wasn't enough and after crossing the line I get a 15 second stop go.

Rage quit.

And now the IR and SR loss will be massively disproportionate to any gains I made the previous four races.
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Yeah, the supposed corner cutting penalties are a joke. I had the same thing happen to me in MX5 @ Lime Rock Chicane last season, and i'd given up 3sec from the chicane to T1 before being black flagged.
Likewise both this week in GT3 and a while back MX5 @ Laguna Seca, a car has spun mid-corner right in front of me (middle of the RLR onto the main back-straight) and my options were hit them or stop attempting to take the corner and 'cut' the chicane. I slowed right down too, knowing i'll get a cutting penalty if i go flat out, but after losing time from it, the penalty still wanted more from me, and i lost 2 places from it because i didnt have the run down the straight.

This is the problem with dumb penalties. They penalise anything, they dont know the cause, who's at fault, they know nothing other than the fact that you've been involved in something they say isnt allowed. So whether someone doesnt bother braking, punts you off with a silly move, or spins and you try to avoid them, you're considered at fault. The penalty is never proportionate to the 'crime' either.
Avoiding an accident is also an insult, because if you had to 'cut' then you're judged to be 'unsafe' so you're penalised for safe cautious driving which no IRL series would punish you for, provided you didnt intentionally gain from it.


The other issue im having is that if i attempt to drive in another series, one im not putting as much time into as GT3, my results wont be as good as someone who is focusing on it. So while it might be safer in there, i take a hammering because im getting beat by lower iR drivers.
It just feels like theres no opportunity to win with their system. I cant finish a GT3 race without being bashed around even in peak top-split races, where my SR takes a hammering but my iR isnt too bad. If i go elsewhere, my iR takes a hammering but my SR would be fine.
All for what? Because other people cant control themselves around others? Wonderful.

The whole point of buying into iRacing was supposed to be the better class of drivers, no public racing bad drivers. Its just rich bad drivers instead.
 
My IR loss was -89

I didn't earn 89 from previous races, despite finishing well ahead of my starting position. Started (19,17,9) Finished (7,11,6)

The other thing that's annoying is they change the cars so much from one season to the next, that it's like completely different car.
 
Yeah, its annoying to a degree. They certainly shouldnt ignore the fact that there were balance issues between the cars in class, but when they change the cars handling its frustrating. The only benefit is that its the same for each of them, they all suffer the same issues, but it doesnt help much and having 1wk to figure out what they've fixed/broken and how to adapt to it, and then the season starts too... its crazy.


Talking of crazy... just finished a GT3 race without getting wrecked!!! :eek:
0 Incidents, started 21st and finished 10th. Ignoring the start (cos i havent looked and it doesnt really count) i think i only passed 1 car in all of that :D and that was a bit of a move i wouldnt normally make, as the driver had lost a couple of places and had a side-by-side out of the T7 hairpin and i moved to go down the inside, no resistance, so slotted in nicely. Normally i wont make a move in those situations, just feel like it'll be blocked and we all lose time defending a corner im unlikely to pass into without a decent overlap to begin with. +48 & +0.29. Much needed too. Still a net loss of around 150 & 0.8 for the round.

I really wish they were longer races, even if it was just the option of competing in a longer version each weekend and a couple of specific timeslots, just like Road Warrior. I've had far more fun in the 70min+ races, people still battle but it seems calmer, you know its a long race so you pick your moves and you're less combative to giving up a spot, cos you know you'll be able to get it back if you're faster.
I'd also do an Endurance series (GT3, HPD, Corvette type) given the option, with 'endurance' being at least 1h long, ideally 2h. Again, similar story to RW series in when it runs. Better than a league which is fixed day/time, more specific than a series in order to ensure everyone turns up for them to go official.


Out of interest - Unofficial races. Do you get SR & iR from them, so it just doesnt count for MPR, or is it essentially a practice race no anything from it?
 
Not sure about Irating that you can definitely lose/gain SR

I have had a Barry Crocker in this first week. This latest tired model ( yes I'm getting tired of it too) is hard to adjust too in the first few laps. Have done 5 races this week and have either spun out myself or been collected by someone else and have lost 90 sr and 300 IR. I think this has been the worst week in my 3 year Iracing history. It's the oversteer plus the frantic starts that gets me right now.
 
Which series are you referring to?

I've only really done GT3, which has the benefit (i think!) of rolling starts, which i think tends to get the field a little more spread out and lets the tyres bed in a bit.
I've been doing my pace car lap in 6th gear on the lowest engine map, for the fuel, as 16 laps has been done, albeit needing 1 mega alien run, and i cross the line with 1.1 lap of fuel, so i dont dare do anything beyond keep up on that lap.

To be honest, im not entirely certain what that first lap handling trait comes from, whether its cold tyres or 'sticker' tyres, and then whether the car calms down due to getting up to optimal temps or whether its that uber grip being scrubbed off.
So i suppose it would be beneficial to weave and either scrub or warm the tyres to get the nice balance sooner, dunno.

For standing starts, i can imagine its a bit of a nightmare having a pack of drivers piling into T1. Its always a recipe for disaster, crazy handling is only going to make it worse.
I did a SRF race on Friday (iirc) and started at the back. The car is a damn handful anyway, uber sensitive, and it was my first time out in it so i was happy to be starting at the back and just drove cautiously, which was my entire race strategy anyway. So i havent experienced anything else really. Tempted to jump in the Skippy and contemplate a cramming some practice and doing their Lime Rock race, as i want the participation credits and not sure what other series i want to do yet after GT3.

edit - tempted to buy the Ford GT for the World Sports Car Series, they're 45min races, and the Ford GT might be the closest thing to a GT3. Mixed classes adds something to it all too, i used to enjoy GT1 & GT2 mixed class races in LFS as the quiet periods when your just on your own arent so quiet when theres other classes lapping you, or you lapping them. Spa Rnd1 too, so might buy the FGT, Mosport, Silverstone & Road Atlanta to have 10/12 rounds available (im not buying VIR or Daytona! in a year, when its not 6 tracks a season, maybe)
 
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I'm trying to do the Star Mazda and weirdly decided on the C-spec as the handling has improved but these are both standing starts and the crazy draft at both Watkins and Spa has just caused chaos. Being on an Aussie Ping hasn't helped especially if your trying to pass an eastern Euro pilot. I'm hoping it will improve as weeks go by and me getting used to starting on cold tyres

Ford GT has been one of the best cars on the service, I did a season of it last time round.
 
All that mixed classes adds, is the drivers in the faster cars overtake you in stupid places and just expect you to move out of the way instantly. They don't give a monkey's about the race you are in or how it compromises your lap/race.
 
It's disheartening to hear things are as bad up in the GT series as they are down in the Mazda races.

I think the nail has been hit on the head a few posts back that it's just not worth racing aggressively any more as the amount of times I get dive bombed or shunted from the rear/spun etc I would rather just take a good rating from a race and let people pass me easily and hang back from them without incident. I have no idea how they could police it more effectively though.
 
I haven't had any issues with the GT3 at all so far. Last season wasn't too bad either as far as I remember and I'm never in the top split.

I wouldn't say I was a passive driver, but I'm not overly aggressive either.
 
Decided to give it a shot.
Bought Ford GT, then Mosport, VIR (uggh) Silverstone & Road Atlanta for the WSCS series, VIR is in GT3 too so figured why fight it. Also added Zolder. I figured i'd get 6 for the extra discount, and theres another 2.4h GT3 soon at Zolder, although im not sure it'll be as fun as Spa, those chicanes :(
 
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