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It seems the MX5s on Okayama and Lime Rock (included with game) are the only ways to begin to progress... save your credit for when you're out of rookie leagues
I must be lieing then.
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I'd just like to see bud, no need to take offense...
What you say contravenes how they drive in the real world, so I'd be very interested as it would back up my opinion that the physics in iracing are a bit off
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A friendly forum-ite kindly put me down as their referer (I did not ask) so I have $15 iRacing credit
That will get you Sector One of any track you like then
While I dislike part of the SR system (the pointless 1x you get when going over a curb just like a driver going to the limit should be doing), going from license to license is so damn quick it shouldn't be a problem unless you are trying to drive like it's an off-line racer and paying no attention to other drivers. I'm very average driver and I do make mistakes quite often but once I decided to go for it, I went from D license to A license in less than two weeks. Granted, I think I got the promotion from B to A when season ended, not during the season. But the other licenses I got just by driving a race or two a night.
The licenses are really not a problem and overall I think SR makes the racing that much more enjoyable when most drivers are actually paying attention to what they are doing on the track. Sometimes the system is so frustrating when you have a bad race and end up collecting 1x mistakes all over the place but overall I really prefer SR over no SR.
I'd just like to see bud, no need to take offense...
What you say contravenes how they drive in the real world, so I'd be very interested as it would back up my opinion that the physics in iracing are a bit off
Sorry, didnt mean to come across as a tool there!
It does you are right, its something to do with the OTM, the oval guys used to say to be fast with them they had to go slightly side ways too.
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Two weeks! Wow... must have been a lot of boring hours
The point, for me, is I like to push the limits in a game. Other than the Palmersport day, it's the only opportunity I get to really try and push cars right to their limit.
Whenever I'm driving one of my cars/toys or someone else's, it's always sitting in the back of my mind... "****, this could get expensive if a balls-up"... so I'm always holding back a bit.
I don't want to do this in a game, especially in the "rookie" leagues... you should be allowed to push and make lots of mistakes. You learn by making mistakes...
There are a lot of alternatives I can think of that I, personally, would much prefer... but I can see how the SR is the best all-round system... that doesn't change the fact that I hate it though.
If they at least gave us some rookie series that allowed you to use cars like the Radical - I never want to jump in that MX5 again, but I have to spend a LOT of hours in it because no-one touches formula fun... argh!
I don't have two weeks to play non-stop... and even if I did, I wouldn't want to spend it driving sedately to improve my rating.
The rFactor racing leagues works much better for me as I can just jump straight in!
No worries, glad we didn't get our wires too crossed
Slightly backs up what a friend said... they seem to have built an engine for Nascar and then tried to tweak that engine for road driving... makes complete sense with the "on stilts" feeling I get with the MX5.
Two weeks! Wow... must have been a lot of boring hours
The point, for me, is I like to push the limits in a game. Other than the Palmersport day, it's the only opportunity I get to really try and push cars right to their limit.
Whenever I'm driving one of my cars/toys or someone else's, it's always sitting in the back of my mind... "****, this could get expensive if a balls-up"... so I'm always holding back a bit.
I don't want to do this in a game, especially in the "rookie" leagues... you should be allowed to push and make lots of mistakes. You learn by making mistakes...
There are a lot of alternatives I can think of that I, personally, would much prefer... but I can see how the SR is the best all-round system... that doesn't change the fact that I hate it though.
If they at least gave us some rookie series that allowed you to use cars like the Radical - I never want to jump in that MX5 again, but I have to spend a LOT of hours in it because no-one touches formula fun... argh!
I don't have two weeks to play non-stop... and even if I did, I wouldn't want to spend it driving sedately to improve my rating.
The rFactor racing leagues works much better for me as I can just jump straight in!
No worries, glad we didn't get our wires too crossed
Slightly backs up what a friend said... they seem to have built an engine for Nascar and then tried to tweak that engine for road driving... makes complete sense with the "on stilts" feeling I get with the MX5.
Well the core of the engine comes from NR2003 which as the title suggests is a NASCAR sim, i think it was made by papyrus and then the guys from iRacing took it over and made it how it is now, i dont beleive there is a lot of the old engine left to be honest, but it does show some times that it was an oval sim.
NTM = New Tyre Model, introduced a couple of builds ago, massively improved at the last build. It's designed to be a purely formula based, eg not 'empirical' like most/all other models where it's a case of 'thats how a tyre should behave, and these arbitrary numbers get us there'. It's not exactly complete yet but it's showing promise imo.
Weird - I hardly get any powersliding in the Radical, unless I floor it too early on exit.
You really have to abuse it to lose grip, especially in higher speed corners.
Wish I could show you - just no idea how to get us even in a practice session together on iracing
Driving the Radical takes me back to driving the Palmersport JPLM - it feels that good to me!
At high speed it's fine, it's almost all related to the low speed stuff.
Ah, all the cars I've driven there haven't taken kindly to that kerb so I'm always on the inside of it so never had a problem
Got a new 6950/6970 to install in a bit, but might try and do some practice if I can.
Maybe powersliding was the wrong term, I've just attempted to get a clean/quick lap in but after 8 laps I'd only managed a 1:27 (international w/brittens iirc) and gave up.
The main places where I do it is out of shell oils, the chicane, knickerbrook and lodge. There I'm accelerating too early/too hard so that the rear is no longer gripping properly and is 'just the right amount of sideways'. I realise that to a certain extent a small amount of 'sideways' is how a car should be when going quickly, but imo (and from a perspective of never driving a radical, or even a car around a track, only raced bikes) this is 'too much' sideways. And it seems most of the members agree with that.
There's also a little 'odd' bit on the exit of island bend, and I intentionally get the car a little bit sideways going into the old hall and druids.
That's what the new tyre model is designed to stop, and it seems to help a lot, the skippy especially where before you had to really slide it to be fast, way more than the radical, now you need to back up the corner from before and take it much more sensibly, it's slightly less fun for me at least but far better for it.
That engine is based off the GPL engine though afaik, which was purely road...
They do have a tendancy to do a lot on oval stuff, but ultimately I don't think you can say the engine is an oval engine bodged to work, I don't think that's giving them the credit they deserve
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I don't want to do this in a game, especially in the "rookie" leagues... you should be allowed to push and make lots of mistakes. You learn by making mistakes...
That's what the practice sessions are for
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Makes sense.
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Ah, me being a ding-bat then
Ah I see, be wary of low-speed turns in my FR35 tune, it's better than stock - but still twitchy, especially on the first pair of hairpins.
Ah, all the cars I've driven there haven't taken kindly to that kerb so I'm always on the inside of it so never had a problem
Haha, yeah - it has flung me around a bit when catching it at just the wrong angle... there's a really fast line for it I've found, clipping it - but every time I try the line, it hits me with a 1.0x
Nice one, I just got confirmation that my GTX580 is going to be showing up pre-1pm tomorrow
Be mindful of the ATI performance comments on the Beta forum. For AA/AF, you need to force them in CCC and turn them off in the game for the best performance, I also found the crowd movement option caused me texture glitches - so I've left that off. If that's a second 6950/70 for crossfire, be sure to create a custom CF profile.
It took me a while to adjust "back" to rf2 if that makes sense, from playing other things - so put in a bit of time, if you feel like it... if it really doesn't do much for you, then fair enough.
It's interesting that there are two camps for these two games.
I understand what you mean now, thanks for the explanation.
That engine is based off the GPL engine though afaik, which was purely road...
They do have a tendancy to do a lot on oval stuff, but ultimately I don't think you can say the engine is an oval engine bodged to work, I don't think that's giving them the credit they deserve
Nah i have a lot of respect for iRacing, its my sim of choice! But i was under the impression most of it is from NR2003, I had heard the roumer of some of it was GPL but wasn't to sure of it being true.
Sounds fun, I do like the radical, I just think that it's an example of the flaws in the iRacing 'old tyre model' which hopefully will be improved in the next release or 2 (there will be more cars transferred over to the ntm next build, just don't know what
)Nice one, I just got confirmation that my GTX580 is going to be showing up pre-1pm tomorrow
Be mindful of the ATI performance comments on the Beta forum. For AA/AF, you need to force them in CCC and turn them off in the game for the best performance, I also found the crowd movement option caused me texture glitches - so I've left that off. If that's a second 6950/70 for crossfire, be sure to create a custom CF profile.
Already read most of that, upgrading from a 5850 1Gb, main reason is for the 2Gb vram upgrade, should help when running 5760x1200, although it would also help if I remembered to order the mini-dp adaptor
Just the one card, tried crossfire once and it's more hassle than it's worth.
I'll keep playing it, but I think unless the beta changes and/or a stunning mod (or OcUK league?) comes along I'll be sticking to iRacing as my main sim
Joshua Harley, amusingly in the Radical vid that crinkleshoes posted I'm starting 8th right at the start of the vid, I then got caught up in a spin on the exit of T1 so when the camera pans you see my car spinning off into the grass. I'm Famous!
I meant 'that' engine as the NR2003, afaik it basically went GPL (although again that used a small amount of code from NASCAR 2 iirc?) morphed into NR2003, which was then bought by iRacing when papy shut down (Dave Kaemmer obviously knowing the engine made it a simple choice
)But yeah, I don't know how much of NR2003 remains but I'd imagine it's less than half if not less even than that.
The annoying thing with the violent ffb offtrack in iRacing is that the 'fix' takes away what little feel there is (for me at least), so much so that since I reinstalled windows/everything at the weekend I didn't bother applying the fix, instead 'risking' my G25 (it's been a few years, could do with an excuse to upgrade
What fix are you referring to?
I meant rFactor there with the violent off track FFB, and the fix is this one:
http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/1739-Some-changes-that-may-help-G25-G27-rattling
effectively turning down and damping the ffb quite severely, stops the rattling which is potentially wheel breaking, but at the expense of feel.
The other fix is to just not go off track
