Iran - does it stop with them?

Stolly · 2 Dec 2009 at 15:36

Random Guy said:
Oh please, don't try and pull the reverse argument (as is so commonly done) as justification. Who created the conditions to allow them to murder their own people? Which sons of bitches have been meddling in domestic M/E affairs as part of their foreign policy for over half a century? 'Primarily' from your quote only applies to the side with tanks, guns and bombs tbh. Everyone knows where to place the blame for that, and history will see to it that it remains a fact.

Either you are alluding to the fact that Saddam murdered his own people with a remarkable efficiency (or was it those peace loving Iranians who gassed the Kurds ?) or you are saying that these people are savages who need a firm hand of oppression to stop them slaughtering each other.

Can't quite decide.

Random Guy · 2 Dec 2009 at 15:47

Stolly said:
Either you are alluding to the fact that Saddam murdered his own people with a remarkable efficiency (or was it those peace loving Iranians who gassed the Kurds ?) or you are saying that these people are savages who need a firm hand of oppression to stop them slaughtering each other.

Can't quite decide.

Keep trying.

Stolly · 2 Dec 2009 at 15:48

Random Guy said:
Keep trying.

Suicide bombers don't use bombs Random Guy fact

uvarvu · 2 Dec 2009 at 15:53

stockhausen said:
If you hate this country so much, why don't you go forth and multiply somewhere else?

I don't live in Iran

Random Guy · 2 Dec 2009 at 15:58

Stolly said:
Suicide bombers don't use bombs Random Guy fact

Try harder.

RDM · 2 Dec 2009 at 16:45

Random Guy said:
Oh please, don't try and pull the reverse argument (as is so commonly done) as justification. Who created the conditions to allow them to murder their own people? Which sons of bitches have been meddling in domestic M/E affairs as part of their foreign policy for over half a century? 'Primarily' from your quote only applies to the side with tanks, guns and bombs tbh. Everyone knows where to place the blame for that, and history will see to it that it remains a fact.

The vast majority of dead in Iraq were from the various insurgent groups killing the civillian population and the apparatus of the newly formed state.

The vast majority of dead in Afghanistan were from the taliban killing the civillian population and the apparatus of the newly formed state.

So no, primarily in my quote applies to the so called "resistance" fighters. It seems muslim brotherhood only counts when it is non-muslims doing the killing.

Now you may be quite happy to absolve them of all the responsibility of their actions but I don't really think bombing a market place which has zero occupying soliders as a legitimate form of resistance. The attacks on the state, yes, the attacks on the occupying troops, yes, but not the wholesale slaughter of innocent people. That is not to say that the allied/NATO countries are blamless but the main share of the blame falls on those doing the actual killing.

Random Guy · 2 Dec 2009 at 23:21

RDM said:
The vast majority of dead in Iraq were from the various insurgent groups killing the civillian population and the apparatus of the newly formed state.

The vast majority of dead in Afghanistan were from the taliban killing the civillian population and the apparatus of the newly formed state.

So no, primarily in my quote applies to the so called "resistance" fighters. It seems muslim brotherhood only counts when it is non-muslims doing the killing.

Now you may be quite happy to absolve them of all the responsibility of their actions but I don't really think bombing a market place which has zero occupying soliders as a legitimate form of resistance. The attacks on the state, yes, the attacks on the occupying troops, yes, but not the wholesale slaughter of innocent people. That is not to say that the allied/NATO countries are blamless but the main share of the blame falls on those doing the actual killing.

In my book, there is a difference between primary instigation and ongoing violence. Between foreign occupation[, bombing and slaughter] and inter-ethnic violence. Both are very abhorrent, but the act of the aggressor more abhorrent by far. Like I said, the allies enabled the current situation, and pointing the finger at the warring parties there right now is a great way to try and wash those blood-stained hands clean. But it doesn't work.

Noticed that you are trying to paint me as some apologist for the terrorism going on over there right now. You have learnt the game well from the Mainstream Media, it appears, when it comes to false smears.

RDM · 3 Dec 2009 at 09:40

Random Guy said:
In my book, there is a difference between primary instigation and ongoing violence. Between foreign occupation[, bombing and slaughter] and inter-ethnic violence. Both are very abhorrent, but the act of the aggressor more abhorrent by far.

So despite the ongoing violence killing many more people (by an order of magnitude) the initial invasion is worse?

Random Guy said:
Like I said, the allies enabled the current situation,

Rubbish excuse. Nothing is forcing the "insurgents" to blow up market places so they hold responsibility for their actions. As I said before if it was attacks against the occupying soliders or apparatus of the state I would undertand but that isn't the primary target.

Random Guy said:
and pointing the finger at the warring parties there right now is a great way to try and wash those blood-stained hands clean. But it doesn't work.

No, I am just apportioning blame according to the amount of civillians killed.

Random Guy said:
Noticed that you are trying to paint me as some apologist for the terrorism going on over there right now. You have learnt the game well from the Mainstream Media, it appears, when it comes to false smears.

Aren't you? You seem to be trying to say that it is the fault of the allies/NATO when one of these insurgent groups kills a bunch of people in a market place rather than placing the responsibility on the people that are actually doing the killing.