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Is AMD's new Steamroller PC processor architecture a dud?

Tonester0011 said:
They should, i'm part of the enthusiast segment of their market, the problem is they cannot even come close to where Intel are currently. Hence why Intel take my money, it'll stay that way for a good few generations at this rate.
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The great news is that the enthusiast market couldn't even keep them in cakes and coffee.

It's all about the mass market, something you seem to be forgetting about completely. Their APUs dominate the mass market so well it's not even funny. And there's no competition to them at all.

I really can't emphasise just how many times AMD have openly come out and declared that they would not, and could not, compete at the top end of the market any more. It's funny just how many times they have rammed that home, only for plebs like the one who wrote that article to ignore them completely and go on with their false hope that AMD are going to become competitive at that level and offer CPUs that will beat Intel.

It's simply not going to happen, ever, so get used to it.

What they will do is just go about their business knocking out stuff that appeals to, and sells to, the mass market.

Why are they not rushing to put Steamroller in an AM3 board? because quite frankly there is just no point. Fact is a 6300 makes for a great gaming CPU and can run and play any game you could wish to. If you want more cores for productivity? get an 8320 or above because again, they will do what you need them to.

Pushing your budget to the absolute brink of company destruction just so that people like Boomstick and Almighty will stop whining isn't going to happen. The last FX CPUs that did beat the Intels cost an absolute fortune to make and produce, and AMD were taking a loss on them just to prove a point.

Now by rights Intel should have keeled over and died during that period. But they didn't because of the stinky attitude people have toward AMD. IE - their products should be cheap because, you know? they're not Intel they're AMD.

And that is why Intel are still around, because people bought the ****ey P4 with the awful Netburst in droves, simply to spite AMD.

And they are the same line up of drones all calling for AM3+ to be discontinued. Thankfully they do what's right for them.
 
Andy you are actually quite sad..... It's computer parts man..... Surely you have more important thing to get irate about?

Intel are much much larger then AMD and if they truly wanted could flat out destroy AMD in the low end and APU sector should they wish to dedicate there resources to such a task.
 
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almighty15 said:
Andy you are actually quite sad..... It's computer parts man..... Surely you have more important thing to get irate about?
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I'm sad? you seem to be the one coming into every AMD thread bleating and whining.

almighty15 said:
Indeed... They have a lot of making up and proving to do before I buy from them again.... I dropped £250 on an AMD motherboard ready for Bulldozer only to be greated by the junk that it was.

I was then forced to move to Intel as that was the only way I could get a decent performance increase over my at the time Phenom 2 x6
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Is that why? lmao I can't believe you actually thought Bulldozer was going to be good. You probably got caught out because you weren't astute enough to actually pay attention to what matters. Stuff like this for example...

http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Not-Competing-With-Intel-Anymore-Goes-Mobile-237103.shtml

From 2011. 2012

http://www.pcper.com/news/Editorial/AMD-will-not-chase-Intel-making-needlessly-powerful-CPUs

I've already posted one from 2013. So that's three years running that AMD have come out and stated they're not going to compete, and you didn't know?

It all started when they released the Phenom. People were acting so disappointed so AMD put things straight. They're not going to offer class leading performance but they will be keenly priced.

Yet you continually act like you don't know this.
 
almighty15 said:
Andy you are actually quite sad..... It's computer parts man..... Surely you have more important thing to get irate about?
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And now the troll plays psychologist, trying to garner the mood of people he talks to on a forum, desperately hoping they are irate because that is all the generic troll cares about, winding people up and getting a rise.
 
ALXAndy said:
I'm sad? you seem to be the one coming into every AMD thread bleating and whining.



Is that why? lmao I can't believe you actually thought Bulldozer was going to be good. You probably got caught out because you weren't astute enough to actually pay attention to what matters. Stuff like this for example...

http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Not-Competing-With-Intel-Anymore-Goes-Mobile-237103.shtml

From 2011. 2012

http://www.pcper.com/news/Editorial/AMD-will-not-chase-Intel-making-needlessly-powerful-CPUs

I've already posted one from 2013. So that's three years running that AMD have come out and stated they're not going to compete, and you didn't know?

It all started when they released the Phenom. People were acting so disappointed so AMD put things straight. They're not going to offer class leading performance but they will be keenly priced.

Yet you continually act like you don't know this.
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There was no reason other then AMD just plain sucking for Bulldozer being beaten by Phenom 2, no body could predicted for sure just how poor it ended up being.

One would expect that any half decent group of architects could have come up with a design that at bare minimum matches the old design in every aspect.

And links to all these threads I've apparently been in?
 
almighty15 said:
There was no reason other then AMD just plain sucking for Bulldozer being beaten by Phenom 2, no body could predicted for sure just how poor it ended up being.

One would expect that any half decent group of architects could have come up with a design that at bare minimum matches the old design in every aspect.

And links to all these threads I've apparently been in?
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And what's absolutely hilarious was that you bought Bulldozer, completely unaware that it was going to be totally crap.

How did I know? common sense. All I had to do was take a look at AMD's server CPUs, look at the performance and then realise that AMD would never ever put out a desktop CPU that outperformed their server ones as that would be bad business. Desktop users get hand me down server parts, not the other way around.

Bulldozer comes out and bingo bongo ! it's crap, and is right about the same in IPC terms as Magny Cours.

If you actually listened to what matters rather than some guy who writes blogs putting out so much hyperbole that one needs a huge pinch of sodium chloride then I really do feel sorry for you.

It's like when AMD launched the Phenom 2 to compete with Intel's 45nm quads and people moaning and complaining that they couldn't compete with the I7.
 
Boomstick777 said:
I don't now why some here feel the need to be so defensive. DM and AlxAndy are the worse offenders.

I for one hope AMD do have a new arch coming in 2014, I wanted a nice 8 core SR setup, just Pile-driver is a disappointment for me. You guys think it's fantastic.. Ok.

The posts here saying AMD never need to release another CPU, everything's already more than powerful enough.. Mantle etc..



Those guys will be the first in line to buy new AMD chips ! Shouting from the rooftops, about how good they are if they matched Intel :D Be interesting to see how the comments will change if AMD do announce new stuff in 2014, all of sudden that will be the best thing ever, AMD ftw.
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What have you been smoking boy, can I have some too, i'm buying a house at the moment and I haven't got any hair left to pull out.

My viewpoint is as I have written above, it is based on my many geeky years of computer experience and is my opinion, Its not about amd not having to try and make another big cpu. In particular its more about Amd's handicap in being so far behind in fabrication its a joke. But it's also Intel and Amd vs the restructure of the 3 tiers of consumer computer hierarchy that use the x86 architecture.
Ultra mobile.
Mobile.
Desktop.


My viewpoint is take off the googles and look at the mass market. Things have been slowing down for a good 3-4 years apart from Intels fabrication work.
Microsoft is no longer the monopolist that it used to be and we can thank arm, microsoft failed to go mobile and so did intel and amd were nearly there but not quite.
Surface Rt and windows 8 were absolute flith and the price that is commanded for these microsoft tablet hybrids is filth !!! Android/ google/ios and the development of apps in ultramobile are the biggest market at the moment thats where the money is.

I will be buying a kaveri as soon as they release but I already know it's not a good enough effort. just like bulldozer, piledriver fx and especailly richland weren't great either.
Some people are still on phenom II's some people still on 1st gen i7's,
I'm still on a 2600k and there hasn't been any substantial product from Intel or Amd to make me think hmm thats worth selling my rig for.


Kaveri is a new architecture for 2014, along with their arm projects.
 
almighty15 said:
Indeed... They have a lot of making up and proving to do before I buy from them again.... I dropped £250 on an AMD motherboard ready for Bulldozer only to be greated by the junk that it was.

I was then forced to move to Intel as that was the only way I could get a decent performance increase over my at the time Phenom 2 x6
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but thats your fault for being an early adoptor,
 
AMD are not going to compete with Intel in the enthusiast market ever again, period!

They've said it themselves and the sooner you get it into your thick heads and stop nerd ranting about a load of crap the better.
 
Dear god, the idiocy here defies belief.

Anyone who considers FX CPUs even close to enthusiast products is deluded and as Andy has said, AMD themselves do not.

Having said that, they have great value/performance ratio and in well threaded games, they actually perform similarly to high end mainstream offerings (e.g. 4770k vs 83x0 in BF4).
 
ALXAndy said:
And what's absolutely hilarious was that you bought Bulldozer, completely unaware that it was going to be totally crap.

How did I know? common sense. All I had to do was take a look at AMD's server CPUs, look at the performance and then realise that AMD would never ever put out a desktop CPU that outperformed their server ones as that would be bad business. Desktop users get hand me down server parts, not the other way around.

Bulldozer comes out and bingo bongo ! it's crap, and is right about the same in IPC terms as Magny Cours.

If you actually listened to what matters rather than some guy who writes blogs putting out so much hyperbole that one needs a huge pinch of sodium chloride then I really do feel sorry for you.

It's like when AMD launched the Phenom 2 to compete with Intel's 45nm quads and people moaning and complaining that they couldn't compete with the I7.
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That's what thuban was for and boy it did a good job too
 
almighty15 said:
So it's my fault that AMD's engineers are too stupid to make a new CPU that's actually faster then there old ones?

Rightttt..... :rolleyes:
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no lets look at your post again,


almighty15 said:
Indeed... They have a lot of making up and proving to do before I buy from them again.... I dropped £250 on an AMD motherboard ready for Bulldozer only to be greated by the junk that it was.

I was then forced to move to Intel as that was the only way I could get a decent performance increase over my at the time Phenom 2 x6
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No-one buys into a motherboard before the cpus come out, oh sorry you did !
Hence you being an early adopter was your fault for spending £250 on a motherboard before researching or waiting for other test pilots before handing over cash.
 
Davedree said:
no lets look at your post again,

No-one buys into a motherboard before the cpus come out, oh sorry you did !
Hence you being an early adopter was your fault for spending £250 on a motherboard before researching or waiting for other test pilots before handing over cash.
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I bought it to be used on Phenom 2 x6 with sub-zero cooling, I then decided to spend a little extra on a board ready for BD.

So no, I didn't go out and drop £250 on a board JUST for BD :rolleyes:

And stop with the crap about waiting for test piolets, I was in and all over every performance leak and chart there was going on BD.

At the absolute bare minimum BD should have matched Phenom 2 and NO ONE could have predicted that gaming wise Phenom 2 was a good chunk faster..

Unless you would like to borrow me a crystal ball as mine appears to be broken?
 
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