Is AMD's new Steamroller PC processor architecture a dud?

Tonester0011 · 19 Dec 2013 at 20:41

acme15 said:
^ That article is filled with absolute cack to be honest, and I fail to see how it even aids your point. It uses a specific set of benchmarks, only shows a single game at an unusual resolution, and what on earth is an "i7 3570K"? Did they even proof read it?

Its Andy, he's worse than boom for picking **** to suit his case. Not read the article mind, don't tend to click on anything Andy posts lol.

Akagi · 19 Dec 2013 at 20:45

Tonester0011 said:
Not read the article mind, don't tend to click on anything Andy posts lol.

I only skimmed through it and that was enough. :rolleyes:

alex_123_fra · 19 Dec 2013 at 20:46

acme15 said:
^ That article is filled with absolute cack to be honest, and I fail to see how it even aids your point. It uses a specific set of benchmarks, only shows a single game at an unusual resolution, and what on earth is an "i7 3570K"? Did they even proof read it?

Seriously? The res is at that level to try to negate any GPU effect on the result and hence to allow a more accurate comparison of the CPUs. Yes this sort of bench is performed with lower resolutions but the res in the article is perfectly valid.

Akagi · 19 Dec 2013 at 20:48

I'm going to leave before I get mad. I've made my point. Have fun arguing the toss among yourselves.

Dicehunter · 19 Dec 2013 at 21:12

Boomstick777 said:
It's not trolling, I just gave the link to the article ffs. That's exactly why I wrote don't shoot the messenger, I know someone would get personal.. Yeah we all like AMD but try and take your love for them out of the picture and just read it. The good thing is, maybe AMD will respond to this article and reveal if they do have any future higher end desktop CPU plans. Speculation from forum members is ok, but I would like legit info from AMD themselves if they have any future plans. Hopefully they will respond.

Don't worry bud don't take it personally, Theres always someone who gets nasty on these forums for the least little thing.

I do hope AMD are keeping information back, Would hate to see Intel charging even more for their CPUs due to lack of competition.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 19 Dec 2013 at 21:29

spoffle said:
The issue is that people have corrupted what enthusiast is supposed to mean. The people who have more money than sense who were happy to throw their money at 2, 3 and 4 Titans for example, are not enthusiasts.

I'd call that segment, the mug segment. Where you've got CPUs like the 4960X which is nearly exactly the same CPU as a 4930K but costs twice the price.

Agreed.

linktoinsanity · 20 Dec 2013 at 09:05

ALXAndy said:
I said - Even if the I3 beats the 6300 it's more expensive.

Which again brings us round to the fact it's not, it's the same price. As I said in my first post. :rolleyes:

ALXAndy · 20 Dec 2013 at 12:45

Tonester0011 said:
Its Andy, he's worse than boom for picking **** to suit his case. Not read the article mind, don't tend to click on anything Andy posts lol.

That's because you're ignorant of the facts. You don't want to know anything positive about AMD FX, only the negatives. Whatever. If you can't be bothered to look at some facts don't bother to post.

acme15 said:
^ That article is filled with absolute cack to be honest, and I fail to see how it even aids your point. It uses a specific set of benchmarks, only shows a single game at an unusual resolution, and what on earth is an "i7 3570K"? Did they even proof read it?

As for the power argument, if you are referring to my previous post, I meant the increased power consumption of the CPU alone having an impact on the choice of other system components, not the increased leccy bills.

Ah you know? they're a bunch of real nobodies there. Ignore it huh.

They're only the people who realised Crossfire was completely broken, proved it and then took it to AMD. You know? a real bunch of wallys there.

They're only the folks responsible for AMD creating Frame Pacing.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Dec 2013 at 00:38

BTW,the PSU E-PEEN on forums is hilarious. I like how people were complaining that the Steam machines "only" had a 450W PSU with a Geforce Titan or GTX780.

Some of you might actually want to look at power consumption measurements at the wall for most single card setups. Only dual card and dual GPU card based setups need larger power supplies.

Orangey · 21 Dec 2013 at 09:51

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
BTW,the PSU E-PEEN on forums is hilarious. I like how people were complaining that the Steam machines "only" had a 450W PSU with a Geforce Titan or GTX780.

Some of you might actually want to look at power consumption measurements at the wall for most single card setups. Only dual card and dual GPU card based setups need larger power supplies.

It's a gold PSU and they are not using any fans beside the CPU/GPU/PSU bare minimum. It's even a low-power 5400rpm HDD. A proper gaming rig tends to be a hog compared to that. OCing also increases power consumption drastically when you start getting into overvolting.

almighty15 · 21 Dec 2013 at 10:26

Orangey said:
It's a gold PSU and they are not using any fans beside the CPU/GPU/PSU bare minimum. It's even a low-power 5400rpm HDD. A proper gaming rig tends to be a hog compared to that. OCing also increases power consumption drastically when you start getting into overvolting.

My overclocked 2600k and my at the time overclocked 7950's in crossfire never pulled more then 550w from the wall.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Dec 2013 at 12:33

almighty15 said:
My overclocked 2600k and my at the time overclocked 7950's in crossfire never pulled more then 550w from the wall.

I have a Xeon E3 1220 and a GTX660 and under the most intensive games,it pulls under 200W at the wall,and that is with multiple drives.

Boomstick777 · 21 Dec 2013 at 12:54

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I have a Xeon E3 1220 and a GTX660 and under the most intensive games,it pulls under 200W at the wall,and that is with multiple drives.

Those Xeon's are really nice for low power gaming setup, we have a 1230 v2 in our HTPC with a 7850 2GB, fairly low power, the Xeon has stock cooler and doesn't get hot. Rips through most games on the higher settings @ 1080P.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Dec 2013 at 13:13

Boomstick777 said:
Those Xeon's are really nice for low power gaming setup, we have a 1230 v2 in our HTPC with a 7850 2GB, fairly low power, the Xeon has stock cooler and doesn't get hot. Rips through most games on the higher settings @ 1080P.

The stock cooler was not that great in my SFF PC during the summer!! :mad:

I am using a modded Xigmatek Praeton ATM,but will replace it with an H40 I got cheap from that OcUK Christmas sale recently.

I will see how it goes,but a Kaveri based SFF PC might be my next PC project,in a low profile box. I already have some parts from my previous low profile box(an E3400 and a Zotac 9300 in a aluminium phone box). However,I might just get a new monitor instead.

Edit!!

It seems that desktop Jaguar motherboards should be out in the next few months and the CPU is upgradeable.

Hagar · 21 Dec 2013 at 14:00

8350 at 4,6GHz eight prime workers plus heaven 2,5 bench on a 6950 running concurrently = 370W at the wall

8350 at 4,6GHz eight prime workers = 260W at the wall

80% gold Seasonic X-650 PSU

Whole system power.

OLDPHART · 21 Dec 2013 at 16:16

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
BTW,the PSU E-PEEN on forums is hilarious. I like how people were complaining that the Steam machines "only" had a 450W PSU with a Geforce Titan or GTX780.

Some of you might actually want to look at power consumption measurements at the wall for most single card setups. Only dual card and dual GPU card based setups need larger power supplies.

The 450W PSU, the 780 is the only thing the needs POWER, the rest are all ECO friendly stuff.

spoffle · 21 Dec 2013 at 20:35

almighty15 said:
My overclocked 2600k and my at the time overclocked 7950's in crossfire never pulled more then 550w from the wall.

A 450w PSU at 80% efficiency will pull 560w from the wall maxed out anyway, this is something most people don't quite understand about PSUs.

Most people also have no idea about computer power requirements as well.

rolypolyman · 22 Dec 2013 at 01:03

Have just read this whole thread and find some of the stuff in it quite amusing. What Amd cpu is enthusiast exactly, yeah right, I thought 'everyone' who knows anything about current cpus was aware when you buy an amd cpu you get less performance but better value, we all know that right. Intel equals more performance and more money, yep right, what's to argue about then. Also truth is Intel have done very little recently with cpus since sandybridge, hence why I still have my 2500k, so little to boast about there eh! Anyway I'm bored with intel so am having a dabble with amd and a 8320 and you know what, it will do everything I need it to and very well. And it will be interesting to see what mantle brings.

drunkenmaster · 22 Dec 2013 at 01:14

rolypolyman said:
Have just read this whole thread and find some of the stuff in it quite amusing. What Amd cpu is enthusiast exactly, yeah right, I thought 'everyone' who knows anything about current cpus was aware when you buy an amd cpu you get less performance but better value, we all know that right. Intel equals more performance and more money, yep right, what's to argue about then. Also truth is Intel have done very little recently with cpus since sandybridge, hence why I still have my 2500k, so little to boast about there eh! Anyway I'm bored with intel so am having a dabble with amd and a 8320 and you know what, it will do everything I need it to and very well. And it will be interesting to see what mantle brings.

Yup, I currently have a 2500k, I was waiting to see if there was a octo, or a hex core steamroller coming out. For fun and something new i think I'm going to switch to a Kaveri, because HSA interests me greatly, I think both the single thread IPC will be surprising on Kaveri, HSA, the unified memory in particular will bring some interesting performance improvements in a range of places and frankly I want to be able to play with something different.

I've disliked this motherboard for sooo long, having more than 2 sata 3 ports(seeing as I have 3 ssd's and while almost completely pointless, I think all my hdd's are sata 3 on top of that), and having a usb 3.0 chipset that isn't this stinking awful one that disconnects when accessing the drive frequently..... I can't bring myself to spend on a i7, nor a new Intel mobo and I think a FX8350 is, while powerful, a bit boring and old. Kaveri while a quad, brings about a great igpu, and some great new features. At worst it makes a great back up system chip so if I get bored I can move on and still use it. a FX8350 doesn't make for a great low power back up computer.

ALXAndy · 22 Dec 2013 at 13:00

rolypolyman said:
Have just read this whole thread and find some of the stuff in it quite amusing. What Amd cpu is enthusiast exactly, yeah right, I thought 'everyone' who knows anything about current cpus was aware when you buy an amd cpu you get less performance but better value, we all know that right. Intel equals more performance and more money, yep right, what's to argue about then. Also truth is Intel have done very little recently with cpus since sandybridge, hence why I still have my 2500k, so little to boast about there eh! Anyway I'm bored with intel so am having a dabble with amd and a 8320 and you know what, it will do everything I need it to and very well. And it will be interesting to see what mantle brings.

That's not strictly true, mostly the part about less performance and better value. A product can only be based on its performance to £, so the AMDs do need to offer performance. And this can be seen from the 8320 when, in certain apps and games,it can beat the 4670k.

Mantle and the future could make that happen all of the time, rather than when a developer actually sits down and bothers to support more than two cores and the AMD architecture. This is why AMD are pushing so hard with Mantle and HSA because they're trying to get their hardware supported.

Do that? then there's no need to keep knocking out better CPUs with better IPC.

It's quite hilarious how many enthusiasts claim to know their onions (this is not pointed at you dude) yet know nothing about the past.

Many years ago AMD decided, in their infinite wisdom, to make the first desktop 64 bit CPU. They performed pretty bloody terribly in an X86 operating system, and Intel (who couldn't be bothered pushing boundaries) scoffed and laughed, as did all of the Intel fanboys. There was no point in X64 CPUs, blah blah blah.

Take a look at the now. Pretty much every one is using an X64 OS with an X64 CPU. We have broken the 4gb ram barrier too, with most users running 8 or 16gb ram. You've AMD to thank for that.

Bulldozer wasn't a bad CPU per se. Technically it was actually quite amazing. It just didn't have the software support. Heck, even Windows 7 absolutely hated it and was completely broken when it came to working properly with it. Now we have Windows 8, and now the OS spreads loads across the CPU as it should properly.

Just trust me on this.. The world doesn't need anything more powerful than an 8 core Piledriver, and with Mantle and HSA for Kaveri AMD are about to prove it.