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Is AMD's new Steamroller PC processor architecture a dud?

almighty15 said:
I bought it to be used on Phenom 2 x6 with sub-zero cooling, I then decided to spend a little extra on a board ready for BD.

So no, I didn't go out and drop £250 on a board JUST for BD :rolleyes:

And stop with the crap about waiting for test piolets, I was in and all over every performance leak and chart there was going on BD.

At the absolute bare minimum BD should have matched Phenom 2 and NO ONE could have predicted that gaming wise Phenom 2 was a good chunk faster..

Unless you would like to borrow me a crystal ball as mine appears to be broken?
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Lol :rolleyes: early adopter still a bit sore I see
 
Davedree said:
Lol :rolleyes: early adopter still a bit sore I see
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Not really, just a bit tired of idiotic people twisting words and trying to make something out of nothing to prove there argument.

And if you call moving from a 4.2Ghz Phenom 2 x6 to a 5Ghz 2500k on the day BD released being an early adopter, then yes I'm guilty...

But carry on....
 
I did buy piledriver at pre release and had obviously read a lot about Bulldozer and its failings. I have a few hundred in a savings account for the next upgrade and 90% it will go to AMD as I am an enthusiast and have been since 1990. But enthusiast does not just mean power, there is also a philosophy. It now appears that software which once drove the rush to ever faster processing speed and power will now drive the hardware developments further towards CPU/GPU parallelism and muticore processing all of which is in AMD's favour currently.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Don't shoot the messenger for posting a troll article?

There isn't the bandwidth for 8 cores on dual channel ddr3, AMD can't afford to constantly tape out new chips, ddr4 is delayed, ddr4 brings with it things like HBM, die stacking, tsv's, on die memory potential. DDR4/next gen stuff is where the big gains are, there is incredibly little reason to spend 10's/100's of millions in R&D, taping out, production for a small market segment for chips that will be heavily bandwidth limited and a short lived platform.

There is unfortunately no reason to invest in an 8 core platform till ddr4 is available, Intel delays products for ddr4, hunky dory, AMD does it... the world is ending... imagine my surprise.

yes, I'd love a 8 core fx steamroller, but if by unlocking the bottleneck of the decoder and a few other things they simply slam into a bandwidth bottleneck, there won't be much difference in outright performance.
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I'm not sure on this ^. Obviously the costs of a fresh tape-out for the server bloodline (from which FX is derived) are significant, but I'm doubtful as to the DDR3/4 issue.

Surely it's more simply a reflection of three factors;
1. PD is "good enough" to maintain FX and Warsaw (server) sales, and AMD doesn't think the bump in sales for a SR update would be significant - FX is doing ok.
2. Development costs, especially coupled with no real uplift in sales (point 1)
3. The new fab process. Have AMD/GloFo got the 28nm fab capacity to run both a Kaveri and FX/server cpu manufacture? The APUs are the big seller now, so they get priority. Get the 20nm fabs online for Excavator.
 
right ok lets look at this post one last time as this is what I based my response to your post on. All other responses have provided info that wasn't presented in that first post.

almighty15 said:
Indeed... They have a lot of making up and proving to do before I buy from them again.... I dropped £250 on an AMD motherboard ready for Bulldozer only to be greated by the junk that it was.

I was then forced to move to Intel as that was the only way I could get a decent performance increase over my at the time Phenom 2 x6
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and then this
almighty15 said:
I bought it to be used on Phenom 2 x6 with sub-zero cooling, I then decided to spend a little extra on a board ready for BD.

So no, I didn't go out and drop £250 on a board JUST for BD :rolleyes:

And stop with the crap about waiting for test piolets, I was in and all over every performance leak and chart there was going on BD.

At the absolute bare minimum BD should have matched Phenom 2 and NO ONE could have predicted that gaming wise Phenom 2 was a good chunk faster..

Unless you would like to borrow me a crystal ball as mine appears to be broken?
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So if you were aware of the leaks and possible performance problems of bd, why did you buy into an expensive board for an x6 with possible intentions of upgrading to a bd, you see that post contradicts yourself now, and proves you should have waited for real bd figures before investing into am3 +. get yourself out of that my boy
 
Davedree said:
right ok lets look at this post one last time as this is what I based my response to your post on. All other responses have provided info that wasn't presented in that first post.
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So as I said you're making something out of nothing to try and prove your point.... And jumping to conclusions about something to which you know nothing about.

Davedree said:
So if you were aware of the leaks and possible performance problems of bd, why did you buy into an expensive board for an x6 with possible intentions of upgrading to a bd, you see that post contradicts yourself now, and proves you should have waited for real bd figures before investing into am3 +. get yourself out of that my boy
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I went high end because at the time I was running 24/7 sub-zero cooling and needed something that could handle that.

So the only thing it proves is that you have no idea what you're talking about and are merely grasping at straws at a situation you have no clue or involvement in.
 
no you just twist and turn your justifications when things don't look good your way.
Like I said in reference to your first post the way its worded you sound like you were bitten by amd and you don't trust Amd until they prove their worth, so you obviously had a bad experience with the am3+ and bd, but then try and hide it by other justification such as you needed high end sub zero board for your x6, but then you should have been aware of bds possible bad performance and then reconsidered investing in am3+. As amd offered no upgrasde you bought an intel as you were forced into it
Your words not mine,

i hope your 4.2 ghz was on air or water 24/7 and not sub zero.
 
ALXAndy said:
Defensive? not really. Do you agree with the article then?
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I think that it's disappointing that AMD aren't planning to bring anything new with SR to the desktop in 2014 except APU's. I wanted to move to an 8 core SR setup, fancied a change and I like to support AMD, (The underdog). So for me it was a bit of anti climax, if articles like this put pressure on AMD to respond than I think the article could be good in that sense.
 
Almighty ran an am3 board...
The platform that was pointless because AMD killed it off without an exclusive CPU.

Bulldozer came to the board, but it was crap.
 
Boomstick777 said:
I think that it's disappointing that AMD aren't planning to bring anything new with SR to the desktop in 2014 except APU's. I wanted to move to an 8 core SR setup, fancied a change and I like to support AMD, (The underdog). So for me it was a bit of anti climax, if articles like this put pressure on AMD to respond than I think the article could be good in that sense.
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The only pressure put on was by people that fabricate facts and charts. Steamroller was at first meant to be Piledriver with a refresh of the controller than gave PD the 15%. It was supposed to give PD 15-20% more. However, if one sits down and does the math then it's simple to see that even with 20% more IPC SR would *STILL* not compete with Haswell.

These expectations people have of AMD are their own stupidity. FACT - AMD continually try and bring people back down to earth by telling them their intentions, yet people would rather believe some crap talking idiot site on the internet than AMD themselves :confused:

AMD stated many years ago now on their website that, and I quote "The future is Fusion". Fusion meaning APU. Their future lies in making cut price APUs that are unmatched and unrivaled. And that's it.

So no, we're never going to see AMD compete on IPC ever again. Because put simply? even if an I3 beats the 6300 on performance for example? it's more expensive. And at the end of the day the 4 FPS you get extra out of the Intel (if of course you don't overclock your AMD) will make zero difference to your game.

I think AMD have just had to be down to earth and realistic when it comes to making CPUs. Do they invest millions into making a CPU that will beat Intel's? or do you concentrate on the real world where the actual sales lie?

APUs. That's it. PD FX are more than good enough to present them with a gaming CPU and they can continue to out price Intel with them, given they haven't been costing money like Haswell does to produce.

Buying ATI gave AMD everything they ever wanted. Now they have the GPU tech to bolt to their CPUs.
 
If you're happy with current CPU's that's ok, but I want more progress from AMD. The GPU department is spot on, APU's are great. It's just that high end CPU line that is being overlooked, I'm sure I'm not the only one who like AMD to be competitive in that area again. Very disappointed if it's only more Piledriver chips in 2014, not much more to say tbh. Be interesting to see if AMD do announce anything new, how many of these people who are currently saying AMD don't need anything new, would rush out and buy new chips ! :p
 
As we've all mentioned though broomstick, its a small market to concentrate a lot of money into, Amd don't have the money, or the fabs, they don't have the resources or the engineers to compete with Intel at that level anymore. The best Amd can do is use what they have and aim for the low to middle and make lots of money, Remember the days when they were consistantly in the red, something had to give to keep the afloat through the hard times.
With the onlook of cpu-gpu compute Amd can try to push the boundaries out a little.
 
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