Is having a discreet public wee littering?

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Why was a man who took a wee in a layby fined for littering?

A high-profile lawyer disputes a council's claim that public urination is littering.
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45 minutes into a two hour car journey and taking a discreet wee in a lay by alongside a dual carriageway in the countryside a man was given an £88 fine for littering. The man like me (I claim an interest) has a prostate weakness leading to more urgency on occasion.

Nick Freeman a lawyer of some notoriety on driving issues is taking on the case against the council and it's agents.
 
My dad has similar issue - Doctors told him not to hold on too long if he needs a wee otherwise it can somehow end with him getting blocked up.

Bit on a non story though IMO, once he produced a doctors note they cancelled the fine anyway.

Public urination - I think there's a time and a place. Layby's are fine as long as you are trying to be as discreet as possible. In the middle of a town centre, not so much.

I had to wee in some bushes at a Tesla charging station because it had zero facilities and nowhere nearby you could walk too. It felt more embarrassing than illegal as other drivers were also parked up charging.
 
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This was in a countryside layby and no easy alternative for the poor fella in question. When he challenged the fine with a Dr's note pointing out his condition the fine was cancelled by the council.

Context is important here - we don't really want legal carte blanche for saturday night drunks to be weeing everywhere in a city centre do we ?

It goes to the very longstanding issue of lack of public provision for toilets in general and unwillingness to fund them due to ever increasing costs of scrotes vandalising them ! Its also unfair for women as they can't be as discrete as men.
 
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VincentHanna said:
My dad has similar issue - Doctors told him not to hold on too long if he needs a wee otherwise it can somehow end with him getting blocked up.

Bit on a non story though IMO, once he produced a doctors note they cancelled the fine anyway.

Public urination - I think there's a time and a place. Layby's are fine as long as you are trying to be as discreet as possible. In the middle of a town centre, not so much.

I had to wee in some bushes at a Tesla charging station because it had zero facilities and nowhere nearby you could walk too. It felt more embarrassing than illegal as other drivers were also parked up charging.
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While I agree generally and in town one can usually find premises to use. Out in the sticks where there may not be a urinal for twenty miles and probably in a town anyway it seems very very stupid to have this as a policy. Sometimes you just need to go. Or do you just wet yourself.
 
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They cancelled the fixed penalty notice after he provided medical evidence, non issue here surely?

There’s a difference between having a wee in the middle of nowhere vs on a street corner, the latter would get you on a register surely.

Interestingly, there was a drunk old bloke peeing into a short bush at the corner of my street during summer when I was out with the dog one night. He couldn't wait until he got 4 minutes further into the estate. If one of his neighbours drove past with their family in the car, they would've got an eye full. I wondered what the cops wouldve said if they spotted him.
 
shifty_uk said:
They cancelled the fixed penalty notice after he provided medical evidence, non issue here surely?
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Not really the point. What if you need to waste your doctors time getting a note. I have a little black card from Prostate UK but I am not named anywhere on it. It does give me something to show a pub landlord if I use his facility without buying a drink. Would that be enough for the uniformed voyeur?

I tend to agree with the drunks peeing in bushes argument but this us different. Anyone who may be offended is passing at 60mph or so and would need very good eyesight to see even the most endowed. Not so the litter man hiding in the bushes ready to pounce.
 
Doesn't hurt anyone if you pull over for a slash.
Pretty common thing for ppl to do. Better to drive comfortable when you can easily and safely do so.
Council should get fired for stupidity.
 
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I carry one of these around, only used it the once and I have to extend it all the way ;)

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If you really need to have an emergency slash anywhere near civilisation, you have to be super careful that your private parts cannot be seen by anyone, including CCTV cameras and Ring doorbells or you can be nicked for indecent exposure and end up on the same list as Rolf Harris.
 
This is ridiculous.
I don't even really get how we've gone so far as to take an issue with this.

Really, apart from hygiene issues (like bare bums on seats etc) I don't really see the harm in nudity etc.

Peeing in a layby should not be an issue. Man or woman. I'm always peeing on walks in the countryside. What else are you gonna do.
 
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Is he the type to exaggerate though?

The only possible way you would be put on a register would be if you got your lad out in front of strangers who are under 18.
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I suspect he was both drunk and in a town centre, and likely not discrete enough. I can imagine the coppers telling him this as part of giving him a rollocking.
Unfortunately I can't ask him, as he passed away.
 
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