Is it ok to be proud to be white?

[fez]

Proud to be white? No. There is nothing to be proud of when it comes to skin colour. Not ashamed to be white, very much. In the same way that no one should be ashamed of the colour of their skin. Proud to be black or proud to be white is just bizarre in my eyes and leads to black vs white thinking which is really bad.

 

[Mason-]

Everything you achieve is a product of your genetics, your IQ will be largely responsible for any academic achievements, or even worse your socioeconomic status. Basically you can't be proud of anything by your logic.

Not really if you’re highly intelligent but lack any motivation and/or are lazy you’ll achieve nothing. And if you then brag about the fact you can do mental arithmetic really fast, you’re a nob. If you did zero revision and got an A in GCSE maths and bragged about it, you’re a nob.

Likewise if you’re less intelligent naturally but work really hard to achieve x/y/z then there is no shame in being proud of those things.

 

[Roar87]

Not really if you’re highly intelligent but lack any motivation and/or are lazy you’ll achieve nothing.

Do motivated parents not breed and raise motivated children? My Dad was into lifting weights and playing video games, I do both of those things too, am I allowed to take pride in achieving a high number on a particular gym lift, even though I basically went to the gym because of my upbringing and probably also genetics? (Naturally I found X lift easier compared to other people)

And if you then brag about the fact you can do mental arithmetic really fast, you’re a nob. If you did zero revision and got an A in GCSE maths and bragged about it, you’re a nob.

Likewise if you’re less intelligent naturally but work really hard to achieve x/y/z then there is no shame in being proud of those things.

Again, how motivated and "driven" you are is a product of genetics and upbringing. Then you get people who are both highly motivated, highly intelligent, and are brought up in the right circumstances so they become highly successful. Why can't you brag about being good at mental arithmetic? Usain Bolt can't be proud of his Gold Medal at the Olympics? He won that almost exclusively on genetics, he even ate chicken nuggets before the sprint. He could run 100m faster than 99.99% of people who ever lived while being hung over, but he isn't allowed to take any pride in that? Pretty dumb logic

 

[Kenai]

Everything you achieve is a product of your genetics, your IQ will be largely responsible for any academic achievements, or even worse your socioeconomic status. Basically you can't be proud of anything by your logic.

The key thing there is that you've brought it back to 'achieve'. Being proud of achievements (even if due to an inherited trait) is different to just being proud of the trait that may have helped you make that achievement.

To take your Usain Bolt example, being proud of achieving records running is entirely normal. It would be odd if he said he was proud of having legs though.

 

[Roar87]

The key thing there is that you've brought it back to 'achieve'. Being proud of achievements (even if due to an inherited trait) is different to just being proud of the trait that may have helped you make that achievement.

To take your Usain Bolt example, being proud of achieving records running is entirely normal. It would be odd if he said he was proud of having legs though.

He's a 6"5 genetic freak who is almost built to sprint, I could have trained for 10 years and he could've trained for 6 months and he'd be faster than me. My point is that genetics are responsible for almost everything, you might not like that but it's true. If people want to be proud of something though that's fine by me, even if those achievements are largely due to inherited gifts when you boil it down.

 

[d_brennen]

He's a 6"5 genetic freak who is almost built to sprint, I could have trained for 10 years and he could've trained for 6 months and he'd be faster than me. My point is that genetics are responsible for almost everything, you might not like that but it's true. If people want to be proud of something though that's fine by me, even if those achievements are largely due to inherited gifts when you boil it down.

Yes but he's beat out all the other genetic freaks, so that's something to be proud of. Look at athletes in any discipline, they are genetically suited to what they do.

Being proud of the amount of melanin in your skin is stupid, but there's no shortage of stupid to go around.

 

[Kenai]

He's a 6"5 genetic freak who is almost built to sprint, I could have trained for 10 years and he could've trained for 6 months and he'd be faster than me. My point is that genetics are responsible for almost everything, you might not like that but it's true. If people want to be proud of something though that's fine by me, even if those achievements are largely due to inherited gifts when you boil it down.

But he still used those genetics to achieve something, rather than waste them. The pride is in the achievements made not the traits themselves, that was the point being made - it's weird to be proud of something you haven't achieved, just something that 'is'.

 

[HoneyBadger]

Not really if you’re highly intelligent but lack any motivation and/or are lazy you’ll achieve nothing. And if you then brag about the fact you can do mental arithmetic really fast, you’re a nob. If you did zero revision and got an A in GCSE maths and bragged about it, you’re a nob.

Likewise if you’re less intelligent naturally but work really hard to achieve x/y/z then there is no shame in being proud of those things.

Nail and head my man.

 

[Skunkworks]

It’s perfectly natural to be proud of your team’s achievements. You can define Team however you want.

 

[Zefan]

Not really if you’re highly intelligent but lack any motivation and/or are lazy you’ll achieve nothing. And if you then brag about the fact you can do mental arithmetic really fast, you’re a nob. If you did zero revision and got an A in GCSE maths and bragged about it, you’re a nob.

Likewise if you’re less intelligent naturally but work really hard to achieve x/y/z then there is no shame in being proud of those things.

It's cute that you think IQ is influenced by your genetics but conscientiousness isn't.

 

[sigma]

I’m proud of the white font colour that OCUK use.

 

[mmj_uk]

I wouldn't say so people should be proud of themselves for individual achievements or for who they are individually in terms of personality traits, things that they have power to change. Obviously the socialists want to get people thinking in a 'collective' mindset which is why they categorise people into distinct groups and treat everyone as a group stereotype, often cancelling those who don't conform to it. I think people need to look past it because the group/herd mentality is what has been causing most of the division in recent years. Brexiteer's v Remainers, Trumpers v anti-Trumpers. Black v white. Men v Women. Left v Right. People need to stop seeing themselves as some kind of team member dogmatically fighting for whatever goals they are told that the team has and see themselves as individuals. The smallest minority is the individual, this whole idea of championing 'minorities' based on race etc is still just a collectivist mindset similar to when the Nazi's sorted German's into categories of Aryan, non-Aryan or Jew and treated them differently based on it, not as unique individuals but as members of groups.

When I meet people I don't care what colour a persons skin is or how much wealth they have I judge their character.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Obviously the socialists want to get people thinking in a 'collective' mindset which is why they categorise people into distinct groups and treat everyone as a group stereotype,

Oh the ironing.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

I'll second that

I'll third it. Why is not surprising this thread exists on here. I'm on several forums but this is the one where some posters just can't stop going on about the woes of being white/male/straight and I see someone even added British to the list. For a group of people who say they hate identity politics, they are obsessed with constantly talking about their identity and about identify politics.

I wouldn't say so people should be proud of themselves for individual achievements or for who they are individually in terms of personality traits, things that they have power to change. Obviously the socialists want to get people thinking in a 'collective' mindset which is why they categorise people into distinct groups and treat everyone as a group stereotype, often cancelling those who don't conform to it. I think people need to look past it because the group/herd mentality is what has been causing most of the division in recent years. Brexiteer's v Remainers, Trumpers v anti-Trumpers. Black v white. Men v Women. Left v Right. People need to stop seeing themselves as some kind of team member dogmatically fighting for whatever goals they are told that the team has and see themselves as individuals. The smallest minority is the individual, this whole idea of championing 'minorities' based on race etc is still just a collectivist mindset similar to when the Nazi's sorted German's into categories of Aryan, non-Aryan or Jew and treated them differently based on it, not as unique individuals but as members of groups.

When I meet people I don't care what colour a persons skin is or how much wealth they have I judge their character.

Irony much. One of the worst posters for making sweeping generalisation on here claims he judges everyone by their character. Genuine LOL

 

[d_brennen]

Oh the ironing.

Those types don't do the ironing, or even see it as a problem.

All about the feels

 

[wesimmo]

I stopped taking sertraline, and instead reminded myself that OCUK is only a very small (minded) part of society and was instantly happier.

 

[moon man]

Not a reason to be proud whatsoever, suppose I'm proud of going from very long term unemployed in Yorkshire in my 20s in a haze of medication and alcohol to where I am now, and my kids

 

[lemonkettaz]

I'm proud of what I achieve/complete/work towards.

Colour of skin is irrelevant. Where I was born was irrelevant. Anyone who is proud of a colour of a human beings skin moves the problem along.

 

[silvagti]

I'll third it. Why is not surprising this thread exists on here. I'm on several forums but this is the one where some posters just can't stop going on about the woes of being white/male/straight and I see someone even added British to the list. For a group of people who say they hate identity politics, they are obsessed with constantly talking about their identity and about identify politics.

The problem is groups are trying to push through "equality" legislation not on the basis of equality but "equity". The implication that if youre not equal to someone's else or another group it's because they're over privileged and you're oppressed by society. Thus you need to be given preferential treatment over someone else, and their group in turn discriminated against, to achieve an equal outcome.

Basically it's turned the "oppression Olympics" where the goal is to mark yourself as being in all the most oppressed/victimised and inferior groups so you're given more than other groups to maximize your competitive advantage.

 

[stockhausen]

The investigator helping coordinate the official inquiry into the Metropolitan police’s handling of the Sarah Everard vigil and concerns over women’s safety is suing the Home Office for sex discrimination over claims that he has been penalised for being a “white man”.

Matthew Parr is also currently suing the government for sex and race discrimination after learning a black female colleague was being paid more. (LINK)