Is it time to sack Wenger?

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The saving grace, if there is one, is that there are all the ingredients there for a big club. Big stadium, quite high on the rich list despite not having a sugar daddy (and if Kronke counts, well, he doesn't even watch football or spends a lot of money anyway), a principle of sorts to play attractive football, even if it has gone absent recently), worldwide fan base... it's just right now it's all gone to pot.

As DM said, if it means waiting a couple of years for a new guy to take this mess and turn it into something special again while keeping the club in the green and sticking to their prudential guns, then that's fine. The last thing we want is to go from just being a laughing stock to Leeds mk2 by throwing silly money about as an attempt at a quick fix.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Agreed about Djourou and Squillaci . both wouldnt get into a relegated Premier league side. Look at Bendter, His not even first choice at Sunderland
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Bendtner IS first team, had played excellently(with a team that under Bruce attacked like a bunch of tards) and is currently injured, he had his nose broken when he got kicked in the face, also some other problems, I think he has hairline fractures or cracks on his cheek so not safe to play for longer than just a broken nose would cause.

Bendtner is not a lone striker, but did the job admirably for Arsenal and Sunderland, and he's not a winger, though he has always played better on the wing than both Theo and Gervinho, Hleb, half our wingers.

He's had ONE solid run in the team, in that time he scored 5 cl goals in 5 games, and got 6 goals and 6 assists in 12 league games.

Honestly, don't know how anyone can even suggest he's not good. Look at Vela not played for YEARS at Arsenal with any consistency at all. After a short run of games he's picked up form dramatically with his last 4-5 games being absolutely excellent.

Bendtner actually looked decent from the off at Sunderland but was getting better, he wasn't particularly match fit and for a team where he was heavily isolated that wasn't great. Bendtner and Vela can definitely play a part in Arsenal's future, just not with Wenger there. Ryo should be in our team being rotated right now, Wilshire should have been rotated FAR more last year which would almost certainly have prevented his injury from happening.

Bendtner's record is as good as almost any top striker we've had at the club when you factor in any period when he's been played consistently, its not at all bad when you factor in when he hasn't.

First year, 7 league starts, 5 goals 3 assists, 4 Champs league starts, 3 goals 1 assist.

Second year not as good, but keep in mind that he went from first team year at Brum to playing inconsistently, to a whole year of not playing all that much and being less in form. Still got 14 goals from 26 starts for Arsenal is hardly shameful and something Theo, Gervinho, Arshavin, Nasri, Wilshire, etc have never and likely will never achieve. Wilshire might actually if used in the Lampard/Fabregas role.

The next year he actually got a run of games after xmas when RVP was injured. 13 starts, 6 goals, 5 assists, 5 games in the champs league with 5 goals and 1 assist.

He was even less widely used last year and still in 14 starts got 7 goals and 5 assists.

Bendtner won't be the top 5 strikers in the world, but he's already a very decent one. the ONLY reason he hasn't scored 20+ in a season is he's never played enough in a season.

Eduardo, Merida, Vela, Eboue, Bendtner, were/are all plenty good enough and miles better than a lot of the players we have, just simply never used because Wenger has always had his prefered players.
 
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Bendter started to outshine chamack last year whilst rvp was injured. then got droped once rvp startingf iring in all cylinders and when bender did play again he turned rubbish again missing the sitter against barcelona at the neu camp.

That is one of the reasons why wenger should go. he is terrible at giving certain players a chance.
 
What was wrong with Denilson? Thought he was a pretty solid DM to be honest. Certainly better than Song.
 
in defence of Bendtner..as a sunderland fan

we have sort of missed him while he has been out...his hold up play has been excellent has was always there which meant less pressure on our defence..while he has been out we have had to later the way we play (quite successfully as it happens) but I would expect him to feature again when is fit...he also set up a couple for us as well but pulling out wide and letting sessegnon run through the centre

with out 2 flanks putting in decent crosses now when he comes back I think he will be a lot more effective than earlier in the season
 
as to my take on the Wenger situation...its strange from an outsiders perspective, which is probably why Arsenal fans get fed up with the media

success brings its own problems..once you have that success it means you have to keep it going. Inevitably at some point its not going to happen so you need fresh ideas...perhaps its just gone stale for wenger, he doesnt look like he is enjoying it, and sometimes he looks a bit lost.

who know where the blame lies for not strengthening the team, but its coming home to roost now, it might need a wholesale clearout of not just the squad but management as well..the team looked beaten as they walked out on saturday, and I am not sure what you can do to rectify that, there was nobody out there just geeing them up, whereas the sunderland midfield were cosntantly encouraging each other, when a tackle or an interception was made or a good passage of play.

team spirit seems way down in the arsenal team
 
Again the very simple answer is it hasn't gone stale. Lots of fans, Wenger and lots of pundits bang on and on and on about this philosophy of his and sticking to it because it worked before.

Look at our old winning squads, they are full of, maybe one youth player from Arsenal, craploads of experience from european teams and world cup winners. They weren't very young, they never dreamed of playing 4-5-1, none of them were pure athlete's, but footballers who were also great athlete's, we played ultra attacking football and probably the best defence in the league(that only conceded more on occasion than other teams because Arsenal attacked so much).

None of that, at all, is true of this current team. 7 years ago-ish, we lost our unbeaten run, Wenger changed THAT day forever. Arsenal became a team that, consistently sold older players who were quality and had years left, in favour of youngsters who had never proven themselves, of whom maybe 2-3 have done so since, out of dozens and dozens of players. We suddenly played 4-5-1 in "tough" games, and over the space of two years tough away European ties became, at home to bottom of the league and now 4-5-1 is bog standard for us, yet ridiculously Wenger reverts to 4-4-2 for 5 mins at the end of a game, in a panic, and 95% of the time we've looked better in that formation.

he has a squad built entirely for 4-4-2, but he refuses to play it, he has dozens of great players over the past decade who he has ignored and shafted out of the club without ever giving a real chance, conversely there has been lots of players who have proven without question how awful they are who started any game they were fit no matter what.

Wenger changed, what he did during the successful years is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT to what he's done for the past 7 years, "current" Wenger with his current philosophy, style, squad and tactics is a dismal failure, even eventually getting to a final to be embarrased by a team who got relegated entirely fairly.

The blame doesn't lie in "not" strengthening the team, the blame lies with the man who has seen Walcott play for 2 years, and gives him a new more expensive contract, then see's him play for another 2 years, and gives him another more expensive contract.

Wenger does not see that Walcott can't play football, its embarrassing that he can't, its ridiculous that we stand by a man who can't judge football ability any more. He's bought loads of players recently, all hopeless, all the wrong players, and he keeps the wrong players, and he ignores some of our best players, dropping them when they are right in form then giving them sub 2 games a season in substitute minutes to "prove" themselves, while giving the likes of Walcott 30+ games in which half way through their first game you can tell how inept they are.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2103460/Arsene-Wenger-given-55m-spend.html

So the Daily Fail, take it with a pinch of salt are claiming that the Arsenal board will be giving Wenger up to £55mill to re-build/strengthen our squad....hmmm i think theres more chances of seeing pigs fly:p....saying that Wenger will probably ***** the £55mill on giving our crap players new contracts and wagem rises then go and buy some useless players that no other teams want;)...
 
£55m won't get you an awful lot these days, though if spent wisely on the correct players it could bolster your squad significantly.
 
Robbo said:
£55m won't get you an awful lot these days, though if spent wisely on the correct players it could bolster your squad significantly.
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Highly unlikely that Wenger will bolster the squad with decent players, sure he will buy players but ones that are cheap as chips and arent ready for EPL or European football, if we should get into the CL next season.

£55mill really isnt a lot judging by the prices in the last few transfer windows and with City having unlimited money to buy anyone and everyone, its going to be extremely difficult to get anyone to come to us ie rumours are that we are linked with Gotze but no doubt other clubs with better resources and more chances of winning trophies will get him rather than us.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Again the very simple answer is it hasn't gone stale. Lots of fans, Wenger and lots of pundits bang on and on and on about this philosophy of his and sticking to it because it worked before.

Look at our old winning squads, they are full of, maybe one youth player from Arsenal, craploads of experience from european teams and world cup winners. They weren't very young, they never dreamed of playing 4-5-1, none of them were pure athlete's, but footballers who were also great athlete's, we played ultra attacking football and probably the best defence in the league(that only conceded more on occasion than other teams because Arsenal attacked so much).

None of that, at all, is true of this current team. 7 years ago-ish, we lost our unbeaten run, Wenger changed THAT day forever. Arsenal became a team that, consistently sold older players who were quality and had years left, in favour of youngsters who had never proven themselves, of whom maybe 2-3 have done so since, out of dozens and dozens of players. We suddenly played 4-5-1 in "tough" games, and over the space of two years tough away European ties became, at home to bottom of the league and now 4-5-1 is bog standard for us, yet ridiculously Wenger reverts to 4-4-2 for 5 mins at the end of a game, in a panic, and 95% of the time we've looked better in that formation.

he has a squad built entirely for 4-4-2, but he refuses to play it, he has dozens of great players over the past decade who he has ignored and shafted out of the club without ever giving a real chance, conversely there has been lots of players who have proven without question how awful they are who started any game they were fit no matter what.

Wenger changed, what he did during the successful years is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT to what he's done for the past 7 years, "current" Wenger with his current philosophy, style, squad and tactics is a dismal failure, even eventually getting to a final to be embarrased by a team who got relegated entirely fairly.

The blame doesn't lie in "not" strengthening the team, the blame lies with the man who has seen Walcott play for 2 years, and gives him a new more expensive contract, then see's him play for another 2 years, and gives him another more expensive contract.

Wenger does not see that Walcott can't play football, its embarrassing that he can't, its ridiculous that we stand by a man who can't judge football ability any more. He's bought loads of players recently, all hopeless, all the wrong players, and he keeps the wrong players, and he ignores some of our best players, dropping them when they are right in form then giving them sub 2 games a season in substitute minutes to "prove" themselves, while giving the likes of Walcott 30+ games in which half way through their first game you can tell how inept they are.
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You say wenger does not see how he cant play footy, what is he like in training? for all we know, walcott may be our best winger in training, showing lots of ability on the training picth and maybe its just a case of lack of confidence when he has to do it infront of 30k+ fans week in week out?



Robbo said:
£55m won't get you an awful lot these days, though if spent wisely on the correct players it could bolster your squad significantly.
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Ins:
10m to give RVP 150k a week new contract

20m for a proven CB

30M for a new playmaker like Hazard

30m for a proven striker.


Outs:

Ashavin for 10m
Chamack for 10m
Bendter for 10m
Djourou for 5m
Almunia for 3m?
Rosisky for 5m
Denilson 3m


That in total would do us well bringing in 3 world class players at 20-30m a pop and giving RVP a 150k per week contract and get rid of some of the crap in our side
 
is he worth more? LMAO dont forget this is in todays current price figures. 10m for a crap striker is pretty doable.

Can you name me other strikers that are cheaper then 10m and are better that have been bought recently?
 
jonneymendoza said:
Outs:

Ashavin for 1m
Chamack for 1m
Bendter for 1m
Djourou for 500k...but hes not going anywhere as hes just signed a contract extension the other week;)
Almunia for 500k
Rosisky for 500k
Denilson 250k
Walcott 250k
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Fixed;) and thats about the most we would get for those useless players, ive added in Walcott as well.

Ill just add thats if we can off load them and some team wants any of them...personally most of them will still be at Arsenal for the forseeable future.
 
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Apart from the players he brought in when they won the epl a couple of times, what has wenger brought in thats been great or good for that matter? I would be worried about giving wenger 55mil to spend.
 
As always, its not about spending, I haven't for 5 years trusted Wenger to buy well, the last transfer window should be a stark warning to the board that giving Wenger money is worthless, may aswell through it in the trash.

Crap left back, crap centre back, both injured, crap striker, crap winger/striker, loaned an expensive winger he won't play, and bought a bargain basement replacement for Fabregas who, while making Song and Ramsey look ridiculous, isn't anywhere near the standard required.
 
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