If my mate is anything to go by, a horse is even more of a money pit than a car! They do taste better than cars though.
Is the end of Battery EVs coming?
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Not generally but there can be a lot of variation and sometimes having to change plans and do longer trips when already on the road, etc. I do high enough daily mileage that I'd have to be constantly charging an EV.
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I did not know that! That's my little factoid of the day sorted, cheers!
Heres a youtube video where someone tries and test one for a bit of fun
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I wont lie... i still ate my crispy pancakes in the freezer after the horsegate saga.
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Our EVs are plugged in all the time and charge overnight. Wouldn't make a difference if we did 10 miles or 200 miles in a day - it's no more or less effort on my part.
By being plugged in all the time, our energy is cheaper.
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So as much as 120 horsepower in V8 configuration? I mean, that'll get you down the road well enough
Imagine the poop though
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I find the first line of the OP overly dramatic and not a reflection of whats happening.
Several supermarkets near me have recently removed their chargers. I don't know why.
If anyone fancies a giggle, install the autotrader price tracker plugin into Chrome, then search for Polestar cars. Sort by most recent adverts and look at the oldest. There are a few unsold cars on there since July and August last year.
If anyone fancies a giggle, install the autotrader price tracker plugin into Chrome, then search for Polestar cars. Sort by most recent adverts and look at the oldest. There are a few unsold cars on there since July and August last year.
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BEV's are here to stay but alongside other technologies too I think and rightly so, partly from a security perspective. They're not a perfect solution and just like ICE, not exactly a new technology either. Storing energy onboard has downsides vs generating onboard but can't ignore the free energy from the sun.
I still think the BEV industry is in it's infancy. Maybe someday we'll have a battery pack the size of a shoebox that can power a car for 20k miles. Or, some other technology that can do that or similar.
Hydrogen receive a lot of hate but it's worth progressing too. Toyota I think can convert a GR Yaris to run on hydrogen quite easily, as an ICE style engine, while hydrogen can also be used as a generator to charge a small buffer battery (Toyota Mirai for example).
Shell and others will continue investigating alternatives, not to replace BEV's however but as alternatives, possibly for certain types of vehicles.
I use an EV and find it pretty fun tbh.They don't have the "brum brum" characteristics but the instant power & responsiveness is a characteristic ICE's don't have
I still think the BEV industry is in it's infancy. Maybe someday we'll have a battery pack the size of a shoebox that can power a car for 20k miles. Or, some other technology that can do that or similar.
Hydrogen receive a lot of hate but it's worth progressing too. Toyota I think can convert a GR Yaris to run on hydrogen quite easily, as an ICE style engine, while hydrogen can also be used as a generator to charge a small buffer battery (Toyota Mirai for example).
Shell and others will continue investigating alternatives, not to replace BEV's however but as alternatives, possibly for certain types of vehicles.
I use an EV and find it pretty fun tbh.They don't have the "brum brum" characteristics
but the instant power & responsiveness is a characteristic ICE's don't have
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My turn for the factoid...
In New York City in the late 1800's there were approx 150,000 horses living in the city, producing 1-2 million kilos of manure a day
They couldn't remove it fast enough, so it ended up being brushed between buildings, where the mounds could get storeys high! Can you imagine the smell, disease and flies....the flies.....
horse drawn power was turning cities into hellscapes.London was similar and led to the Great Horse Manure Crisis of 1894, and it was ultimately solved with the advent of the motor car.
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Some like Sainsburys are running out a scheme of their own and removing existing infrastructure to replace with that, though IMO they've got a way to go with those offerings to really nail what is needed for the future.
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The problem with that is its just horribly horribly inefficient, for starters if you want to burn hydrogen in an ICE engine you'll need a trailer with a tank bigger than the car to go any meaningful distance.
I know there were some demos done, sure you can run an ICE on hydrogen no issues just like you can with LPG but the energy density of hydrogen is an absolute killer coupled with the need for such strong and heavy tanks to keep it in means it's a complete non starter for any kind of real world automotive application.
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All fun and games until you forget to put it on charge one night especially if you don't realise until already on the road :s
Most of those listed car makers aren't making EV's which people want to buy ! Telsa, BYD, BMW and many others are selling EV's just fine.
Those ones just need to up their game !
"Hydrogen is answer"
The answer is whatever works for you! People waiting for hydrogen and synthetic fuels might be in for a shock though [high fuel cost and other challenges]
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We have to be realistic, the future will involve many different sources of energy, we have had it soo good with petrol, 100 years + of a fuel is a bloody good run.
Hydrogen is a far away dream still, green hydrogen even further away, but it can be a solution. BEV is here to stay as is ICE, dont be surprised to see ICE production continue long after 2025.
EV's maybe pricey, but theres 2m of them sold in the UK, thats in a short space of time in reality, and the EV of today is a bloody good car compared to 10 years ago.
Hydrogen is a far away dream still, green hydrogen even further away, but it can be a solution. BEV is here to stay as is ICE, dont be surprised to see ICE production continue long after 2025.
EV's maybe pricey, but theres 2m of them sold in the UK, thats in a short space of time in reality, and the EV of today is a bloody good car compared to 10 years ago.
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I dunno, if i were buying a new EV now I would find it really hard to look past the volvo EX30... that ticks just about all the boxes for me.
Yes - Not sure why Volvo was listed there - this is Ford, All Japanese car makers and most US car makers (not Tesla)
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No way !
Sales of BEV's are still increasing month on month, year on year, despite the high energy cost, high purchase prices and the huge amount of EV BS/garbage which gets spewed out of click-bait media.
There is a place not far from me who has had what look like the same lineup of EVs for well over a year up for sale. Not healthy for the car to sit unused for that long.
Problem is when you aren't at home overnight & don't have time to sit at a charger for an hour.