If that happens then it’s due to poor charge planning, or wanting to drive many hours without taking a break.
Is the end of Battery EVs coming?
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Albeit not a usual occurrence but I had one the other day - ~119 miles for a course, was actually chargers on site at the other end but couldn't just leave it plugged in so would have had to charge again a bit at the end of the day before leaving (you don't really want to hang about), then had a ~16.5 mile diversion through back roads due to a crash blocking the main road, got home and then had to do another ~50 mile round trip due to a relative being unwell and I just thought thank **** I'm not driving an EV.
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I'd have no problem doing that in the Audi. I can add another 50 miles range at the local MFG (not that it would be needed in this scenario) in the same time it would take to fill up a diesel, have a wee and pay at the cashier. 175kw is mighty fast - handy if you've got some nearby.
No chance in the Nissan. But that's 10 year old tech.
I won't generally stop for more than 10 mins if i'm visiting a customer unless it's an overnight visit that requires a hotel stop over & even then often there is no charger available, last hotel I stopped in had none.
I'm not going to add an hour or more each way onto my travel time when all i need is to take a quick splash & dash.
Even stopping for food takes 20 mins tops, aint got time to sit twiddling my thumbs adding an hour to my working day whilst a battery charges.
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No one stops for an hour.
An hour - what are you charging, an electric bus?
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You could potentially have to stop for any hour, say if theres a queue at a charger and you stay to fill the battery.
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Fortunately, nobody is forcing you to change. God forbid you might have to take more than a splash and dash after 4 hours of driving.
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Wait to see how long it takes for a hydrogen electrolyser to re pressurise…
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You just pour it in the tank, and then burn it in the cylinders like a regular ICE. How hard can it be.
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Yep but that's what R&D is for. If we looked at all the current reasons not to do stuff in the past we'd probably still be using horse and cart .
Might have particular use cases in future, who knows.
New Toyota GR Yaris H2 is a hydrogen powered hot hatch | Auto Express
The hydrogen-powered Toyota GR Yaris H2 concept showcases future potential for hydrogen – but not as a fuel cell car
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Many people doing the weekly supermarket shop stop for about an hour.
Can I nuance the OP and say that right now and for the foreseeable private EVs are not going to become ubiquitous? Too many people cannot charge at home. Manufacturers and garages are treating customers poorly when it comes to damage of the battery housing. And damage to batteries can be catastrophic.
And then there's poor Chinese quality control:
Now, I'm a firm believer that self-driving EVs will appear in quantity sooner rather than later - perhaps in a decade - and when they do come you will be able to summon one in 5 minutes so charging at home will no longer be an issue and someone else will deal with charging, maintenance, insurance, and so on.
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So Hydrogen is "allowed" to evolve but battery tech isn't? The combustion engine has been evolving for over 100 years. Battery tech for cars has only really ramped up in the last 10-20 years. We've already went from cars with 50 miles range to 300+.Yep but that's what R&D is for. If we looked at all the current reasons not to do stuff in the past we'd probably still be using horse and cart .
Might have particular use cases in future, who knows.
The chavs can even have their silly farty exhausts tooNew Toyota GR Yaris H2 is a hydrogen powered hot hatch | Auto Express
The hydrogen-powered Toyota GR Yaris H2 concept showcases future potential for hydrogen – but not as a fuel cell car
Hydrogen combustion still emits NOx when burnt.
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I don't think I've owed any vehicle that got more than 20,000 on even the rears of a front wheel drive hatch back.
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Who is saying battery tech isn't allowed to evolve? Not me. I don't know why you'd think that
Battery tech has ramped up in the last 10-20 years but it's also been around as long as the ICE itself but only recently become a realistic alternative. The first battery powered car came about in mid-late 1800's. Isn't it possible other technologies could be viable in future?
I own an EV myself but I find it amusing how some of the BEV fanbase seem to get **** hurt at the suggestion of other technologies being viable also.
If it's the best we can do then I'm not convinced we're going to become that "multiplanetary species" as Mr Musk might put it. We need to continually look for new/better technologies for everything. Storing energy in batteries to power motors is definitely nothing new or ground breaking and that's what we really need. Sure, using the energy from the sun to power cars is great and I'm sure they're not going away (as I said previously) but we have to look for alternatives too.
I hope someday we do end up with a battery the size of a shoebox with a 20k mile range or something, so R&D the hell out of BEV's too.
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not gonna lie i was stunned as well. i assumed it was on its second set but looking at the tyre manufacture date, as well as the fact that the tread has barely changed since i got the car 6000 miles ago i think its on its virgin boots.
its 4WD so maybe that had helped wear the tyres evenly... also i suspect its mostly motorway miles.
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oh absolutely companies should research different tech..... but there is so much FUD in the media about how EVs dont work, either pointing out extreme edge cases or long debunked theories , or hell just flat out lies.... and then you see it posted on forums such as these. (remember that diesel range rover fire which burned down the airport carpark? even after linking a video with the car number plate, which you could then check on the govt webpage which stated it was a diesel, some were still parroting that it was if not an EV, it was a hybrid and it was still a lithium battery fire.
Yes i have no problem companies investigating hydrogen, but the problem is companies use these technologies as an attempt to keep people from moving aaway from ICE cars..... as in "I am not going to buy an EV, i will wait till hydrogen"...... by the time hydrogen cars are affordable and the fueling is rolled out with Green H2 (I dont believe it will happen but even if it does), they could have had 2 or 3 cars by then.
EVs are out now and work today for the vast majority of people who can charge from home and yet a huge section of the media is desperate to push people away from them... imo the talk of solid state batteries or hydrogen is just trying to keep people from going EV and getting them to buy another ICE car
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please tell me you are being sarcastic**......................................... (but no EVs are not the same)
**but that is an example of exactly the sort of crap some of the "news" papers like to write.
The mark 1 nissan leaf which came out in what.... 2011.... that has the worst battery in any EV, which is to be expected as it was the 1st of the modern generation of mass market EVs, but even those tend to still have at least 65% health on their battery today.
however a modern car released today i would expect to have far less degredation in 13 years time than a launch leaf does today.... I cant state exact numbers but i bet a 10 year old EV released today in 10 years time 100,000 miles would still have a battery health the right side of 85%.
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