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Depends how detrimental to the culture is if you allow shamriah courts to even operate. You think everyone who attends wants to? It's peer pressure and saving face for their family that forces them to attend.
By not banning them we are making the country attractive to muslims. Why do we want to make it attractive to more muslims? That's the bit no one can explain coherently to me.
We don't have arbitration laws specifically for Muslims, we have arbitration law that all religions use...just like Jewish 'courts'
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We encourage shariah law...
They should be outright banned. We legitimise the sexist religion at its core.
By simply allowing it to exist, it doesn't matter if it's within "English law". Many of these are secret courts that the authorities aren't even aware of and Muslim Women are pressured into attending and then pressured into abiding by the decisions, and then pressured to stay silent about it and not go to the proper authorities.
They should be broken up and banned, if you want to be a British Citizen in this country then you have to abide by British Law by going British Courts, anything else is pandering and gives out the wrong signal that the UK will tolerate the abuse that can arise from these secret proceedings.
How is it so unfathomable to you the complete irony and hypocrisy of your stance?
"I don't like what they think, it should be banned and punishable."
Which "side" of your imaginary battle is that? The answer is both.
"I don't like what they think, it should be banned and punishable."
Which "side" of your imaginary battle is that? The answer is both.
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Thats a universal expression, probably a galactic one too
But as far as i am aware i never said you should believe 100% what they are saying. I told ya you should listen to them as much as you listen to the other guys as well. And THEN draw your conclusions.
I have also laughed out hard at your post, russia has been caught lying time and time again? and the western powers have done what exactly? honestly do you believe the west is honest in anything? WMD story in Iraq rings you a bell? seriously?
The thing is we can't really make it not exist. As you say it's secret proceedings. You can never stop something happening internally between 2 parties.
Whoever needs some sharia advice is simply going to phone up a known sharia expert (who most likely hasn't got a clue about anything) invite him to his house and have a mini court case over a cup of tea.
Most sharia related things are to do with finance/inheritance and things like that anyway and don't infringe against UK laws. Not saying there aren't worse things going on, such as things which conflict with UK laws, but these cases should certainly be reported by any victims and dealt with individually according to whatever UK laws was/is being broken.
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...ith-violence-as-part-of-coordinated-campaign/
Popular moderate Imam forced out of position at Mosque in Palmers Green, London by threats
What the heck is going on. Muslims Vs Muslims
What the heck is going on. Muslims Vs Muslims
Erm... that's news to you?? Despite all the bombings from the west for decades, the biggest killer of Muslims are......other Muslims!
The funniest part of this is that Sharia courts are compliant with British Law. So they are abiding by British Law, just not the British Laws you personally approve of.
It's not news to me I'm just disappointed. Surely if things got physical they should have had police there as soon a possible to arrest them for terror offences. Maybe they were inundated with drunkards and the war on drugs.
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Interesting that you had to edit my sentence to make yours make sense, how convenient for you
There's plenty of evidence that abuses of British law are taking place in UK Sharia courts. Of course the police won't investigate though for fear of being labelled 'racist'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Arbitration_Tribunal#Criticism_and_controversy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22044724
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jun/29/sharia-courts-illegal-advice-claims
Thats a universal expression, probably a galactic one too
But as far as i am aware i never said you should believe 100% what they are saying. I told ya you should listen to them as much as you listen to the other guys as well. And THEN draw your conclusions.
I have also laughed out hard at your post, russia has been caught lying time and time again? and the western powers have done what exactly? honestly do you believe the west is honest in anything? WMD story in Iraq rings you a bell? seriously?
Yes and we're paying for that mistake - the government lost its first Syria vote and there's been a (far too) lengthy inquiry into the whole Iraq fiasco. Where's Russia's inquiry into the illegal annexation of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine? Would you expect anything other than a whitewash in such an inquiry? Like I said it's all a question of scale. Russia would like you to believe that because we were wrong once, that makes us the same as them who lie all the time - it doesn't in my book. Do you have the story of the boy who cried wolf in Greece?
Then that is a failing in the regulatory system, not in the arbitration system
Surely if the regulatory system has failed then the arbitration system has failed also? If the arbitration system were working correctly there wouldn't be any need for anyone to regulate.
The problem is though, that when the government started pushing for Sharia courts in the UK, it was obvious that these problems would occur and people pointed this out. Once again however these concerns were dismissed and the government plunged on bringing us ever closer to the cliff edge.
Not sure I get your circular logic there....equate it to the financial system, by your logic the financial system has never worked because it has regulators? whereas in reality it worked well when it had strong regulation but failed when we removed most of the oversight.
There is nothing wrong in the arbitration system, I can use it, lots of people can use it religious or not. I see nothing wrong in saying to people of other cultures you can resolve civil issues in your own way which does not break or transcend the actual law of the land
If there are rulings that do break the law then they should be dealt with, whoever is doing it, Muslims, Jews or Christians
I mean it's a belt and braces system - the arbitrators themselves should want to comply with the rules so they don't have to face the regulators, and if they do break the rules then the regulators should pick that up and stop them from doing so. The only time the regulators can fail is when whatever they are regulating fails as well, and when both your belt and your braces fail your trousers will fall down.