ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

What a lovely bunch they are. We best get some supplies to them incase they run out of money for cages.


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But that map shows that the Islamic State aren't in Aleppo. Well OK they're in a bit of the top right hand corner of the detail square for Aleppo, but there's a big line of red regime soldiers separating them from Aleppo city.

They are all over Aleppo province they control about 1/3 of the land. And the reason why they are not closer to the city now is the fact they have been pushed back over the last few days.
Hence me stating the SAA have just taken the thermal power plant just outside the city.
 
Just because the US did it in Afghanistan, doesn't excuse the Russians doing it in Syria. I note the disproportionate amount of criticism that the US got for that incident, which was called in by local forces and very possibly a mistake, compared to what Russia/Assad get for bombing four hospitals in one day.

Yeah but the Americans had the gps coordinates of the hospital in advance given to them by MSF saying it was thier hospital and knew it was a hospital run by a recognised aid organisation and still bombed it...


"Hospital" in this russian case often seems to be any old building somone set beds up in woth no offical involvement or identification to any of the major parties involved
 
Yeah but the Americans had the gps coordinates of the hospital in advance given to them by MSF saying it was thier hospital and knew it was a hospital run by a recognised aid organisation and still bombed it...


"Hospital" in this russian case often seems to be any old building somone set beds up in woth no offical involvement or identification to any of the major parties involved

At least one of the hospitals bombed by Russia or Assad on Monday was run by MSF, who give out their co-ordinates to everyone. http://www.msf.org/article/syria-le...g-another-msf-supported-hospital-attack-idlib
 
John kerry said that russia could end the war with one call to assad. But failed to.mention that one call for saudi arabia could also stop the warthe one sidedness of the reporting and coverage makes me sceptical about anything anti rus/asad right now.
 
John kerry said that russia could end the war with one call to assad. But failed to.mention that one call for saudi arabia could also stop the warthe one sidedness of the reporting and coverage makes me sceptical about anything anti rus/asad right now.

Yup don't trust anything whatsoever coming out of western and their arab allies mouths. Anyways found this in youtube comments which gives accurate nomenclature on the players in theatre of war

When you read an article about Syria in the Western media, always remember:
1. Regime = Syrian legitimate Govt
2. Brutal Dictator Assad = Syrian legitimate President Bashar Al Assad
3. Regime forces = Syrian National Army
4. Regime loyalists = Syrian civilians defending their villages
5. Regime supporters = All non jihadist Syrian citizens
6. Moderate opposition = terrorists who kill Syrians for regime change
7. Rebels = Saudi Arabia and Western backed terrorists
8. Activists = One man based in the UK who is an ex convict in Syria
9. Pro Regime militia = Hezbollah and Syrian fighters helping the Syrian Army against rebels
10. Assad regime = The Syrian administration led by President Bashar Assad.
11. Freedom fighters = Multi national terrorists working together for government change in Syria

Erdogan is a Muslim Brotherhood Psychopath who wants to resurrect the Ottoman Empire. They are even doing false flag ops on their own people to blame Syrian Kurds.
 
But you are still making the assumption that Russia did it. And as i said earlier, from what I have read these facilities were not clearly labelled as hospitals.

Straight from the horses mouth

http://www.********.com/view?i=396_1455615002

If effect they do not have a clue as some people reported air strikes some people reported shelling.

Rockets, from the Ss26 based at bassel airfield.
 
John kerry said that russia could end the war with one call to assad. But failed to.mention that one call for saudi arabia could also stop the warthe one sidedness of the reporting and coverage makes me sceptical about anything anti rus/asad right now.

People seem to forget (and manoz's post above is an example) where this all started - Syria literally became a melting pot after a relatively open policy of taking in refugees from the troubles in other areas of the ME and NA and neither Assad (who is certainly far from blameless as maonz seems to be trying to make out) or Saudi Arabia can undo that even if they have some responsibility for things that developed after that - ISIS and much of the current problems didn't cause the problems in Syria they took advantage/developed because of the problems in Syria.
 
At least one of the hospitals bombed by Russia or Assad on Monday was run by MSF, who give out their co-ordinates to everyone. http://www.msf.org/article/syria-le...g-another-msf-supported-hospital-attack-idlib

Perhaps not the co-ordinates for every hospital...

https://www.rt.com/news/332950-msf-hospitals-coordinates-syria/

“We gave to the Russian ambassadors in Paris [and] in Geneva coordinates for three hospitals located in very intense conflict zones, but not for all of them, and it was a decision taken together with the medical staff of the health facilities that we support,” said MSF operations director Isabelle Defourny.

According to MSF, the coordinates had not been shared with the authorities or relevant Russian representatives because of safety concerns that were voiced by doctors operating in Syria.

From the Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/18/msf-will-not-share-syria-gps-locations-after-deliberate-attacks

“The medical facilities supported by MSF are particularly vulnerable as a result of a decision by the Syrian government in 2012 to declare as illegal any clinic providing medical care to victims of violence in opposition-controlled areas,” the organisation said in its report. “Consequently, the majority of the MSF-supported clinics have been forced to operate clandestinely in unmarked and undeclared locations.”
 
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Well after Russia or Assad bombed four of their hospitals in one day I can't say that I blame them, to hit one hospital would be careless, to hit four is deliberate. I don't comment on BS so have ignored your RT link.

Did they hit four hospitals in one day? The MSF link said one hospital hit four times. And as admitted by MSF they are unmarked and hadn't shared GPS.
 
They were in two separate cities - Azaz and Maarat al-Numan. See https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29179387&postcount=5077

No they've only stopped sharing GPS co-ordinates with Russia from now on, because they believe Russia is using those co-ordinates to target the hospitals.

Who's side you on cos it seems you're on the side of terrorists? Russia didn't hit any hospital. If you need some clarity, the good guys are Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran. They are the ones actually fighting the terrorists. We are just pretending since we're allies with the people who provided the terrorists ie Turkey and Saudi. Why do you think we want Assad to go exactly? I mean if you need more evidence that ISIS is a western creation and we run them for our benefit(when I say ours I mean our leaders) ISIS are using dollars, which is basically a haram currency cos it's based on debt http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/02/16/isis_will_only_accept_payment_in_u_s_dollars.html The reason why this conflict is still going on is because the west are desperate to get rid of Assad and implement a salafist state like Saudi. This would benefit the west, not Syria. You a hasbara shill?
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...lled-any-isis-fighters-in-syria-a6881716.html

Britain's 'unique' Brimstone missiles still haven't killed any Isis fighters in Syria

Ministers claimed the missiles would be useful because the US did not have access to them.

The smart-missile cited as a major reason for Britain joining the bombing campaign in Syria has killed zero Isis militants there, it has been revealed.

Going to war under false pretenses? Us? Really? Surely not!

Source of independent's article: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...78.html?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics&ir=UK+Politics

Exclusive: RAF Brimstone Missile Has Not Killed Any Isis Militants In Syria, And Only Seven Hit By UK Bombs

The RAF's celebrated Brimstone missile system has yet to kill or wound a single Isis terrorist in Syria since MPs controversially voted to support bombing raids in December.

A Freedom of Information (FOI) request by The Huffington Post UK also revealed just seven Isis militants have been killed or wounded by bombs dropped by RAF jets - either with Paveway bombs or Hellfire drone missiles.

UK uses "lie to population and engage in war".
It's not very effective!
 
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7 is incorrect.

Needless to say, we're not really aiming to wipe out every single ISIL fighter, so the article is completely misleading as well as factually incorrect anyway.
 
Still, it doesn't seem a very good return on capital....

Depends - if they are being used to wipe out significant amounts of resources/infrastructure that can be an effective way to wear the opposition down often with less collateral damage.

Problem is the way ISIS operate makes them extremely hard to force into a direct confrontation where they can be wiped out in numbers and likewise reduces the potential for hard attacks against their infrastructure.

EDIT: Reading through the actual individual reports its a little tenuous - seems a bit of an expensive way to carry out some of the fire missions, etc. though many of them did significantly reduce the potential for unintended damage in close situations i.e.:

Despite the proximity of the friendly forces, the precision of the Paveways and careful planning by the aircrew allowed both targets to be struck successfully. The Tornados similarly had to attack a series of Daesh positions close to Iraqi forces, and these were also highly successful: Paveway attacks accounted for four groups of terrorist fighters, including one heavy machine-gun and two mortar teams, and when machine-gunners opened fire on the Iraqis from the windows of a single storey building, the Tornados launched a pair of Brimstone missiles which accurately struck both windows.
 
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