ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

ubersonic said:
You claimed that Syria had lost control of it's airspace, I pointed out it hadn't and used many facts to refute the claim. The fact they still have total control of civilian air traffic was one of them.
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It has lost control of its airspace, not all of it, but most of it and the land beneath, that's pretty much what I said. If they had control, daesh wouldn't have been running amok across the country. Since that is/was happening, I think it's safe to say, Assad does not have control. You can tell me he did until you're blue in the face, the reality is clearly he didn't. On the other hand, if you class Damascus as the whole country, then sure I see why you think what you do. Does London = England now?

Just to point, civilian airspace and deconflicted tac c2 controlled airspace are totally different things. I presume you know that since you have it all figured out, following since the start.
 
mistersprinkles said:
You realize that the syrian air force's planes are mostly decrepit (decrepit AF actually) old Mig-21 with dumb gravity bombs that look like they are made in some guy's cellar in his free time?
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Since my job entails knowing the orbats for all air forces in the region and their daily movements, yes I do.
ubersonic said:
Basically, a large amount of Syria is empty desert of zero strategic value, because of this not much effort has been expended to take that territory back from ISIS, as a result while the Syrian government controls 80-90% of the land worth controlling it still looks like the extremists are doing well if you glance at a map who controls what with no idea what you're looking at. As a result of that he seems to believe that Syria has lost control of it's airspace because they don't' control all the empty land anymore lol.



Russia began deploying S-400s in response to Turkey shooting down one of their planes.
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Lol.
 
Got to love the championing of all things Russian here... Yet the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, Syrian Network for Human Rights and Violations Documentation Centre all report Russian air strikes have resulted in them killing more civilians than they have ISIS. They also claim a greater proportion of civilian deaths than International Coalition there.

Since they like to use unguided and cluster bombs, thats unsurprising. Had these stats apply to the US instead, I'm sure there would be much hooning about it here from the usual shills. On the contrary, it's the usual bemoaning of UAV strikes....:rolleyes:

Russians are hardcore, so much respect for those guys....hahhaa
 
StriderX said:
This argument isn't worth starting, but America's Sin is not absolved because Russia is mentioned/involved.
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No one said it wasn't. It's all just very odd that one nation, guilty of bombing civilians, should be heralded as fantastic and with much respect, and the other isn't. It's very black and white for some people it seems. Almost like supporting a football team. Very odd.
 
StriderX said:
Yet leave them to fester in Pakistan like usual, and allow Afghanistan to return to Taliban rule, they have headway in some manner in the Philippines and some African states. Battling one enemy while you let others build up is not winning, it's purposefully allowing a field to exist.
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Funny that, the US have sent a lot of assets back to Afghanistan and there are ongoing operations in some African states. "Purposely allowing a field to exist". Alright CT nut.
 
StriderX said:
Do you mean to tell me that the worlds largest military ever (in peace time no less) is unable to defeat a few delinquents?

Do explain why the the Saudi's are still seemingly untouched to this day for their murder of Americans in 2001?
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You make it all sound so easy! It's great to see we have so many experts on this forum.
 
ubersonic said:
The world isn't as black and white as you see it. You can be critical of Russian actions/policy AND critical of US actions/policy AND still give a Russian pilot props for going down like a hero.
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Dearest uberexpert, you seem to be just repeating me now.
RoboCod said:
. It's very black and white for some people it seems. Almost like supporting a football team.
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Rroff said:
What with Turkey expanding its scope of operation and the US still having an interest in some parts wonder where things will lead as there is no obvious compromise and sooner or later someone is gonna have to retreat (or escalate).
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Well by rights, once IS is completely swept up, the US would remove it's assets out of Syria, Inherent Resolve job done. Fact will be, it's impossible to completely remove IS.

Many US assets have already been moved to Afghanistan where they couldn't clean up their mess before. So I think the US will just maintain a small advisory (SF) presence along with a number of MQ1/9 assets for a long time now. Just enough to provide surveillance and SDF to continue some presence.

Russia aren't going anywhere. I don't envisage any big conflict between them, neither side wants that. Who knows what will come of Turkish and Iranian influence.
 
ubersonic said:
Because liberating your own land isn't a land grab..
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Is Scotland, Scotland's land, or is it the UKs? Are Scotland allowed to state their own land is theirs and be an independent state? Clearly not a like for like comparison, just interested to know if Scottish people should be allowed to determine their own future about what they claim to be their land, in your opinion?
 
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