ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

[RoboCod]

Also, Assad uses bad bombs, not nice bombs.

Since Assad uses non-precision bombs without any kind of collateral damage restraint, yes it would be fair to say they are "less nice".

 

[RoboCod]

I highly imagine that most people just want it to end and the rebels have played their hand weakly enough that they have no choice but to continue to fight, getting the support of a large majority of the populace is hard enough in democratic nations... least of all this.

Ignoring that, lets open up the statement that people oppose him... of course they do, they live in a tribal mindset in a tribal culture, and he's going to have enemies based purely off of that (didnt really work out for Libya).

Wait, please confirm, are you suggesting Assad exterminates all his opposition, or not?

 

[RoboCod]

rebel mortars are highly precise and never killed anyone, the suicide bombers are martyrs.

and ofcourse the side which is clearly winning is the one using chemical weapons when it would make no sense from a strategic standpoint.

who's spreading this crap anyway? the syriam observatory for human rights? which was that one man guy who lives in coventry

You're comparing the destructive power of a handful of mortar teams to a Russian backed air force? Desperate points are desperate.

 

[RoboCod]

"NK provided Syria with materials for chemical weapons"

The Syrian regime have been using chemical weapon attacks on Ghouta for some time now.

And have continued to develop chemical weapons since.

But no doubt, this is all false flag and just propaganda, because BBC, right?

Hmm....

more likely to have been a terrorist storage house hit by the airstrikes rather than the Russians and Syrians using something so crude and so easily identifiable that once this **** storm is over can really get them ****** over in the international courts?

...I am inclined to disagree I'm afraid.

 

[RoboCod]

In fairness so does Theresa May but they aren't running around the country with heavy weapons attacking police/soldiers/civilians

Ha, but in real fairness, May isn't gassing Scotland when half of them demand indepence (despite how enticing that action would be, judging solely on some of our resident lunatic Scots here )

is this the same sources that told us about the definite WMDs in iraq?

why would syria need to pay north korea for this crap? surely they could just make it themselves, they must be more advanced than NK in pretty much everything

but I guess when you add the big baad north korea in their the story suddenly becomes more credible

A predictable (denial) response but please, never quote media outlets as evidence on here yourself again, you will receive a likened response.

I mean come on, seriously and realistically, who exactly is most likely to be employing chemical weapons on such a scale? A group of rebels, stuck? Or a well armed, well supported, oppressive regime (who you also think are way more developed in every way than NK). It's not like oppressive regimes have never been known for gassing their people before now has it....? Or is that tin foil conspiracy to?

they must be more advanced than NK in pretty much everything

No!

When you have more grasp on world geo-political, economical and military standing, then come back with your roll eyes.

 

[RoboCod]

Haha. Funny but very apt.

 

[RoboCod]

Haha, not funny at all, i'm afraid.

Funny, because it's true.

 

[RoboCod]

No it isn't are you an intelligence operative or a government administration with full knowledge of the situation in Syria?

No, you aren't.

Heh

I have an important question here that i sometimes wonder about though, why do you care about some arab/muslim backwater?

Because it's my job to.

Why do you?

 

[RoboCod]

Cuckoo

 

[RoboCod]

great post 10/10 IGN

It's all that is warranted when the tin foil hat brigade post such lunacy. You're one of them though so....

 

[RoboCod]

lol good one though coming from a jihadist supporter it's a bit rich

I rest my case.

10/10 would read again. Etc

 

[RoboCod]

The main difference between conventional weapons like bullets, shells, explosives is that you can at least to some extent choose who you fire them at, with chemical weapons - they just exterminate everyone in the entire area, so I think it's pretty problematic to compare chemical/biological weapons to conventional weapons - simply because both can kill.

I agree it's not our fight, but if women and children are being melted by chemical weapons in an act of genocide, it seems reasonable to step in and take action, especially if you have the capability to do so on humanitarian grounds, especially considering that if action is not taken - it'll embolden the aggressor into perhaps going even further?

You won't convince the pro dictators here otherwise. They seem quite content with all that.

 

[RoboCod]

because we ask why would assad do that when he is winning the war and he has everything to lose and nothing to gain from it you call us pro dictators ?
how about you provide some proof that he did the chemical attack rather than childish insults

I am sorry that stating people are pro dictatorship insulted you and hurt people's feelings.

then please do hand over all your evidence that a chemical attack was carried out by assad, you could save the investigating teams a whole bunch of time.

Woah woah, look at these childish insults! Tut.

 

[RoboCod]

And where was the outrage ? Where was the UN security council meetings and threat of having missile strikes ?

Oh there wasn't any because Israel is on our side of this stupid ******* game of political chess

It's unsettling that you do think our leaders motives are altruistic when they're nothing but political moves in order to suit their own and their friends agendas it's why they show a blind eye to the Saudi dictatorship and actively fund the war in Yemen, if our leaders were such bastions of light they would not be allies with such scum and would be denouncing all atrocities instead of cherry picking the ones which suit their political agenda whilst ignoring the others and covertly assisting in them

Lol. Clutching at straws!

 

[RoboCod]

I think you're missing the whole point. Chemical weapons are completely indiscriminate, direct weapons are not. Not only that, white phos isn't even barely comparable to chlorine gas.

However, if you just want to dance around a camp fire with flowers in your hair and preach about peace and love, this is the wrong thread for you.

 

[RoboCod]

Because if you drop a few thousand lb's of bombs in a residential area the people are going to be less dead than if you drop some chemical weapons on them right ? Please, show me a war in the last 100 years where there has been zero collateral damage to civilians

I think you're missing the point of the absurdity to claim that it's better to kill another human with one method over another in war, war is ugly, it's far from clean and people need to stop living in this fantasy world that rules are going to make death in a war less terrible, saying white phos isn't comparable to chlorine gas just highlights the absurdity like it's ok to use white phos but don't use chlorine because it's worse, they're both equally bad

Is it really worth escalating over because some civilians died in a war that has been going on longer than WW2 ? That we helped start ?

I didn't say it's ok to use white phos and I didn't say it's better to drop big bombs. It is less worse to drop bombs though, particularly if they are direct fire, precision guided munitions.

I think you ought to go make another thread about war being bad and your air your views about some utopian fantasy world there. This thread is a discussion about ISIS, not about your hippy idealistic views.

 

[RoboCod]

Then why are we even discussing Assad using chemical weapons ?

And if you think I have hippy idealistic views you yet again show your absolute ignorance like you've done for the last few days, I also care not what you think because you're as insulting as you are petulant, you should grow up and actually try to offer intelligent discussion instead of resorting to weak insults every time you confront someone who disagrees with you. Your cognition is utterly bizarre if you can think that me saying "who cares if he used chemical weapons or bombs it's the same result" equates to me being a peace loving hippy but keep on being insulting if you want.

All you've done for the last few pages is harp on about war being bad. What else are we supposed to think?

If you're going to get so upset when your views are criticised then perhaps keep them to yourself.

 

[RoboCod]

I think given that we've already had confirmed chemical attacks in the past and given that the rebels don't have airpower, only the regime... then a helicopter dropping chemical weapons is thanks to the Syrian government.

You could present all the evidence you like about things like that, it would still be regarded as false flag by some.

Bit of a difference between criticising views vs being outright insulting which you unfortunately have a habit of resorting to when you run out of anything remotely intelligent to say.

On the contrary, it's actually difficult to hold intelligent debate with a bunch of people who have this juvenile rosy view on the world and the political games that they feel shouldnt be played. The only ones who appear to be "outraged" here are the likes of yourself with comments like "oh we were sadams friend until we didn't need him!". Get a grip, otherwise remove yourself from your oil rich lifestyle and go and live in a cave. There's the hypocrisy here.

 

[RoboCod]

I think most people understand that it was a video for the Mannequin Challenge, but what it shows is they are expects in faking stuff, like the high production media team for ISIL who produce videos in 4k..

Well they still have the likes of John Cantlie held hostage and since a 4k camera is easily purchased off the shelves these days, I don't think the idea of ISIS throwing together a high quality production is really a great stretch. I'm confused why you find the concept so absurd. I guess the jihadi John videos were fake cia productions too?

 

[RoboCod]

I don't understand what you saying or your point. lol

Jihandi John was real, his videos was real, the people he killed was real.

I'm sorry, I read your post that you was implying ISIS vids were fake due to their high quality. It seems I misinterpreted.