ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

arknor said:
I believe the west targets so called isis or syrian forces regardless of whether civilian casualties will ensue.

Wasn't their a report recently going around reported that under the trump administration there has been more civilian deaths than during the whole obama period
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:confused: the two options were "yes" and "no". You couldn't answer the simple question!
 
arknor said:
are you serious now? is life so black and white, yes and no for you?

Do you believe the forum would lead to better discussion if people could only reply with yes or no?
please only reply yes or no
Because any opinion you hold is deemed invalid by the ocuk council based on your actions in this thread.
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No.

I will expand. I believe the forum would lead to better discussion if people answered the questions presented to them, rather than prattling on whichever tangent they wish. After all, discussion is a two way transaction. What's the point in us pretending to partake in a discussion when in fact you are just going to ignore any of my questions and post something else? You might as well just write a load of stuff down, in a word document and just keep it to yourself, because that is all you are really doing, talking to yourself.
 
RoboCod said:
You missed my point, so leave that conversation there.

Another simple yes/no question (you struggled to answer my last): do you believe the west target civilians?
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arknor said:
I believe the west targets so called isis or syrian forces regardless of whether civilian casualties will ensue.

Wasn't their a report recently going around reported that under the trump administration there has been more civilian deaths than during the whole obama period
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The answer you provided did not answer the question I presented. Go lie down, I think you're agitated and upset.

arknor said:
you asked if i believe the west target civilians.

I started my answer with " I believe the west target civilians"

If you can't interpret that as a yes, you should consult with your GP.

if you don't want to know why i believe they do or don't then why ask the bloody question, unless you were trying to bait me in to some response and failed
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You didn't. Read above. You are getting things muddled.

Talk about 2+2=5
 
Amp34 said:
You mean Syria is a proxy war between East, West and a few other parties for influence and power in the region?

Well I never!:eek:.
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Crazy isn't it?

Surely our resident self-deprecating, Pro-Russia forum members won't condone what is clearly colonial tendencies and empire building by the Russians? After all, it would make them hypocrites wouldn't it? Especially since they seemed to believe Russia deployed there just to beat the naughty Jihadists, Right?

ubersonic said:
Russia's parliament approved the use of military to fight terrorism, they didn't limit it to ISIS, hence also targeting Al-Qaeda positions. Russia see's all the terrorists as enemies not just the ones fighting their current enemy.
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......(et al)
 
Amp34 said:
They’ll probably turn over a new leaf when the pro “west” forum members do. :p

Realistically no one is there for the good of the Syrian people. They’re just stuck in the middle unfortunately.
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I acknowledge your sentiment. However, I've never been ignorant of alterior motives from either "side" and never professed that the west have motives otherwise. If I wanted to take a moral high ground then I'd be a hypocritical idiot to do so whilst I'm ever living it up in a resource rich, oil fuelled life style. At least I truthfully acknowledge that matter, rather than live in denial of what is a realistic account of the world. If I wanted to play the good guy card I would have to give up anything tech related, stop driving a car, move into a cave and live off the land. I acknowledge that about my life, people on their high horse won't.
 
ubersonic said:
Nice necro, so you're saying Russia were wrong to target Al Qaeda as well as ISIS?
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Nice absurd tangent. Ignore everything else, standard.

By the way, I could have quoted numerous other similar comment's throughout the thread, it just so happened that one popped up first when I searched. So should I now take it that you don't believe what you said back then? Your opinions have an expiry date where you'll switch them to suit. How.... flakey.
 
ubersonic said:
What tangent? You necro'd a post of mine from three years ago pointing out how Russia were attacking ISIS and Al Qaeda (as opposed to ignoring AQ like the US because they were fighting ISIS), I assumed from that you were complaining about it? Or were you just necroing random posts for lols?
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You clearly like Lols.

Lol.

No comment on the topic of discussion then? I thought since you were so astute on the matter and also completely unbiased, I would assume you'd at least have something to say about the revelation that Russia are there for the oil. Particularly since you initially seemed to have the impression that they were just there to clean up the naughty jihadists.
 
ubersonic said:
It's cute that you're still digging up posts from three years ago in an attempt to bully me, but if you had actually taken the time to read it then you wouldn't have made a fool of yourself:
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What is cute is you down playing the value of Syrian oil reserves when Russia clearly hold a different view of that to you. Edify them!

And we get it, the validity of your views and posts have an expiry date. What is the time length for expiry though? Shall we say 24hrs, it's pretty much what I'm coming accustomed to with your rambling. It's a shame, someone self proclaimed to be so knowledgeable on these matters, you'd hope their views had lasting validity, particularly since they've been monitoring everything from the start.
 
Rroff said:
Has all the potential for turning into one **** of a mess.

I don't think Erdogan is gonna be the one blinking - he has become recklessly overconfident and seems quite ideology driven. Judging by his actions during the coup attempt and that the whole "Ottoman slap" whatever that is wasn't banded around idly I think he will only stop when he puts his hand in the fire.

Dunno I just feel like there is more going on here than it appears but I can't figure it out - whenever I try to put the pieces together there is always one piece that doesn't fit with the rest.
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I think it's more like people are keen to stir this up into something more than it is. That's the result of media frenzy whipping it up and unsurprising if it's their only source of info.
 
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/02/eastern-ghouta-happening-180226110239822.html

Nearly 400,000 civilians trapped as Russia and Syria bomb the hell out of Ghouta. Alleged that chlorine gas being used too. Surprised this hasn't been mentioned here already. It would be interesting to know what ROE and collateral damage threshold criteria these nation's adhere to. I'd expect more outcry over this really, particularly since Amnesty International state the bombings amounted to War Crimes.
 
ubersonic said:
Considering the standard Russian battle plan of the 20th century was "grind our soldiers into the enemy until they drown in OUR blood" I very much doubt they even know what collateral damage is :(
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It's the latest "ceasefire" arrangements that get me. Civilians have 5hrs to pack up their things and get out before bombing commences. The UNSC asked for 30days.
 
StriderX said:
The UNSC didnt ask for ****, the UN did.

The UNSC is the real branch of the UN and it's just a fecal throwing match between Ex-Commies and Ex-notcommies, it is so indescribably pointless it borders on humour. With that out of the way, until the rebels **** off categorically or everyone actually agrees to a settlement, this is all they're going to get.
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Short sightedness. Assad has millions of Syrian people that oppose him and he doesn't control. What do you suggest, he exterminates them all?

Also...

UNSC indeed asking for ****
 
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