ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

[RaohNS]

If you think assad is not a war criminal then you're deliberately trolling or a sick sob who should be transported to Syria to see the horrors.

... You are in an ISIS thread... One can be held accountable... The other cannot.

And such a strange accusation when you accuse Putin of being a war criminal. Remind me again how many innocent people have been killed because of illegal drone strikes by the US?

 

[B&W]

... You are in an ISIS thread... One can be held accountable... The other cannot.

And such a strange accusation when you accuse Putin of being a war criminal. Remind me again how many innocent people have been killed because of illegal drone strikes by the US?

We're not talking about drone strikes by the US, I will condemn them separately.

Where's your defense of assad gone?

Nothing strange lol, just go look at the horrible pictures out there, reports from aid organisations. Listen to the citizens of aleppo themselves.

 

[RaohNS]

We're not talking about drone strikes by the US, I will condemn them separately.

Where's your defense of assad gone?

Nothing strange lol, just go look at the horrible pictures out there, reports from aid organisations. Listen to the citizens of aleppo themselves.

Show me where I was defending him...

Aleppo.. The same Aleppo held recently by ISIS? Lol amazing ignorance there.

 

[RoboCod]

I think the only true observation that either of you can make is that no news outlet is 100% credible, regardless of their location or agenda.

For one, they are often constrained on what they are allowed to report, for security concern. Secondly, to believe that RT is more credible than any other news outlet is naive. You have no way of knowing unless A. You were there or B. You are the source for their report.

Arguing "facts" therefore is futile.

 

[RaohNS]

I think the only true observation that either of you can make is that no news outlet is 100% credible, regardless of their location or agenda.

For one, they are often constrained on what they are allowed to report, for security concern. Secondly, to believe that RT is more credible than any other news outlet is naive. You have no way of knowing unless A. You were there or B. You are the source for their report.

Arguing "facts" therefore is futile.

Of course not. But some are more credible than others. We see it all the time on these forums.

We can make logical judgements based on facts we see or are presented. The above example of the Russian jet for instance. Turkey bankrolling ISIS (that was minimal on western media) but prominent elsewhere. When one outlet provides more information as RT did with the jet incident they become more credible because of the nature of what they are reporting and the information reported.

Same as with the migrants rampages. BBC was silent on it, then lied, then was laconic and eventually when so many instances occurred they had to go with something. Remember the BBC didn't report the Cologne sex assaults until what a few days or a week since they happened?

They were all over certain news reports (RT included) well before. BBC also deliberately chose not to air certain attacks.

All news has an agenda of course it does, but people who hold the BBC now, today and going forward as a reliable and impartial media platform are beyond naïve

 

[B&W]

Show me where I was defending him...

Aleppo.. The same Aleppo held recently by ISIS? Lol amazing ignorance there.

Ignorance from you, jabhat/fateh is not Isis in fact during this recent operation isis attacked them I other fronts.

This whole mention of isis to tar the rebels is doing a great job.

Yes the opposition are mostly jihadists, but ideologically and politically they are different to isis.

 

[Rroff]

^^ with the recent focus and renaming they seem to be embarking down a very similar road to IS however.

 

[RaohNS]

Ignorance from you, jabhat/fateh is not Isis in fact during this recent operation isis attacked them I other fronts.

This whole mention of isis to tar the rebels is doing a great job.

Yes the opposition are mostly jihadists, but ideologically and politically they are different to isis.

BW, look at your earlier posts and see again who you think is the ignorant one. The "Rebels"... We do not know who the rebels are, what they stand for, what they will do when Assad goes/is forced out.

The opposition are mostly jihadists... But ideologically different from ISIS. Ok... Go on then without looking it up what do these Jabhat/Fateh stand for?

The only group that holds any credibility to a limited extent in that region are the Kurds. They are not totally without blame but at least they have a cause and have at least been documented as protecting minorities who have been entering their area.

^^ with the recent focus and renaming they seem to be embarking down a very similar road to IS however.

Yes, as said we haven't got a clue who they are. We are not fighting a nation here. We are fighting a faction of a faction of a rebel group.

 

[RoboCod]

Of course not. But some are more credible than others. We see it all the time on these forums.

We can make logical judgements based on facts we see or are presented. The above example of the Russian jet for instance. Turkey bankrolling ISIS (that was minimal on western media) but prominent elsewhere. When one outlet provides more information as RT did with the jet incident they become more credible because of the nature of what they are reporting and the information reported.

Same as with the migrants rampages. BBC was silent on it, then lied, then was laconic and eventually when so many instances occurred they had to go with something. Remember the BBC didn't report the Cologne sex assaults until what a few days or a week since they happened?

They were all over certain news reports (RT included) well before. BBC also deliberately chose not to air certain attacks.

All news has an agenda of course it does, but people who hold the BBC now, today and going forward as a reliable and impartial media platform are beyond naïve

I think it's easy to cherry pick examples that confirm your own bias, we could do exactly the same with BBC if we wanted. Of course RT are going to lead with stories that discredit Western aligned news outlets and lean favourably in Russian interests. It will get like minded people such as yourself to keep watching them, as are those who are BBC leaning sticking to the BBC. In the end it's all about viewing stats. The news doesn't care about actual truth.

 

[RaohNS]

I think it's easy to cherry pick examples that confirm your own bias, we could do exactly the same with BBC if we wanted. Of course RT are going to lead with stories that discredit Western aligned news outlets and lean favourably in Russian interests. It will get like minded people such as yourself to keep watching them, as are those who are BBC leaning sticking to the BBC. In the end it's all about viewing stats. The news doesn't care about actual truth.

Some of what you are saying is true, yes. But that's one to watch if RT favours Russian interests just because their actions/positions/reports/evidence can point to evidence of [more] wrongdoing.

I read a range of news outlets and the only time I go to the BBC now is to see if they are reporting the same.

 

[RoboCod]

The BBC is very frustrating. Personally I tend towards Al jazeera, but that's mainly because they cover major world events all over, not just the fact that Jeremy Corbyn picked his nose once.

 

[StriderX]

Gotta love lefty love-in with the rebels who do exactly same **** as IS, and get away with it because the media hate IS, no one else and that is what you MUST believe.

Hopefully this attitude will disappear once the carpet bombing begins and there's no rebels left... or indeed anything else outside Damascus.

 

[RoboCod]

So instead we should adopt your attitude and condone wiping out everyone, including the women and children who live there.

OK. Cookoo!

 

[StriderX]

Welp, it doesn't matter anyway... had the West simply left the area alone and not undermine perfectly stable regimes, there wouldnt be collapse of society in the region.

 

[RoboCod]

So you're Pro totalitarian/authoritarian/dictatorship?

Surprising, given your spirited views of Scottish politics.

 

[StriderX]

So you're Pro totalitarian/authoritarian/dictatorship?

Surprising, given your spirited views of Scottish politics.

Because democracy works so well (though saying this, Authoritarian can be democratic and currently is)?

All a democracy does is flip back and forth between soft extremes, getting nothing done in reality, and damaging the countries finances for political gain just like a dictatorship would regardless (Triple-lock pensions... lol, thank goodness Brown saved the universe and stopped boom/bust cycles right?).

Only takes one look at Singapore to realise what a waste of effort this facade is.

 

[RoboCod]

Gets nothing done in reality? In what context are we talking here? I mean, considering you're in real terms wealthier than the majority of people on the planet, I think it has got something done in reality. Or do you think your standard of living would have been better had you been born in Syria?

 

[Arazi]

The BBC is very frustrating. Personally I tend towards Al jazeera, but that's mainly because they cover major world events all over, not just the fact that Jeremy Corbyn picked his nose once.

I watch Al Jazeera quite a bit now also, a lot more varying news, especially middle eastern news.

 

[RaohNS]

The BBC is very frustrating. Personally I tend towards Al jazeera, but that's mainly because they cover major world events all over, not just the fact that Jeremy Corbyn picked his nose once.

The BBC is just as untrustworthy as the KCNA.

 

[RaohNS]

Because democracy works so well (though saying this, Authoritarian can be democratic and currently is)?

All a democracy does is flip back and forth between soft extremes, getting nothing done in reality, and damaging the countries finances for political gain just like a dictatorship would regardless (Triple-lock pensions... lol, thank goodness Brown saved the universe and stopped boom/bust cycles right?).

Only takes one look at Singapore to realise what a waste of effort this facade is.

Whatever you do... Don't mention Hitler.