ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Moses said:
Also lol @ the idea it's unfair to portray him as an awful person, given the brutal methods he's used (which includes before this conflict even started).
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Okay lets look at it from a logical PoV:

Is he worse than Hitler (jumping right in there)?: No

Is he worse than the Shah of Iran (put in power by the USA)?: No

Is he worse than Kim Jong-un: No

Is he worse than Saddam?: No

Is he worse than Gaddafi?: No

Is he any worse than the current US backed Iraqi government?: No

Is he any worse than the current US backed Ukrainian government?: No

So yes it is unfair to try and paint him as a brutal oppressive dictator as the west have been doing, because in reality he is nowhere near as bad as the dictators they compare him too, is actually a reformist, is liked by the majority of his people (hence why the rebels in Syria have done so badly compared to other ME countries, because he has public support) and until all this kicked off he was running one of the best countries in the ME (may not have been perfect but it was by far above average and a damn site better than it is now).
 
awaybreaktoday said:
Russian aggression is what the west needs in syria, I wonder if the Americans gave russia the full go ahead to do whatever they like in syria via their back channels... Russia will do what the western public will not allow western governments to do....
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If the Russians troops do actually engage Islamic State and behave as badly as they did in Georgia and Ukraine, then it could well back-fire and strengthen Islamic State. The human rights abuses carried out by Russia's historic allies Serbia in Bosnia in particularly radicalised a lot of Muslims around the world.
 
scorza said:
Why do we have to choose anyone? Sometimes doing nothing is OK.

Dropping barrel bombs doesn't really sound like the behavior of a "progressive" leader to me tbh.
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You are really sounding like a broken record who knows little about the situation now.

Barrel bombs are probably more accurate than many of the western bombs used during war, they are dropped from helicopters at far lower altitude than unguided bombs.

Do you honestly think they selectively target civilians? if so they are doing a very very poor job, as I have hear of no more than a handful of incidents this year. When taking into account the number dropped that is very low i could easily pull up many bombs dropped by America and the us that have caused far more devastation.
 
sven256 said:
You are really sounding like a broken record who knows little about the situation now.

Barrel bombs are probably more accurate than many of the western bombs used during war, they are dropped from helicopters at far lower altitude than unguided bombs.

Do you honestly think they selectively target civilians? if so they are doing a very very poor job, as I have hear of no more than a handful of incidents this year. When taking into account the number dropped that is very low i could easily pull up many bombs dropped by America and the us that have caused far more devastation.
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LOL spoken like a true Russian shill :D Start with an ad hominem, then present some dubious claims as facts, finally ask "what about what the US did X years ago?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Syrian_Civil_War_barrel_bomb_attacks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32581007

1% of those killed by barrel bombs are rebel fighters, yes much more accurate than western weapons :rolleyes:
 
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The Saudi led US backed coalition bombed a wedding two days ago in Yemen (using American weaponry) killing 131 civilians. Accuracy is pointless if the intelligence is wrong.
 
ak22 said:
Russian parliament unanimously approves use of military in Syria to fight ISIS.

About time :)
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Approves use of military to fight ISIL, yet fights "enemies of Assad" instead. It's all in the detail ;)

Russia simply looking after their own interests, which is understandable. Got to love the media hysteria though, it isn't really all like that.
 
jl10000 said:
The Saudi led US backed coalition bombed a wedding two days ago in Yemen (using American weaponry) killing 131 civilians. Accuracy is pointless if the intelligence is wrong.
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Remember the Spams bombing the Chinese embassy in Belgrade because the CIA maps were well out of date?

Very little evidence of US military intelligence before or since.
 
RoboCod said:
Approves use of military to fight ISIL, yet fights "enemies of Assad" instead. It's all in the detail ;)
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Russia's parliament approved the use of military to fight terrorism, they didn't limit it to ISIS, hence also targeting Al-Qaeda positions. Russia see's all the terrorists as enemies not just the ones fighting their current enemy.
 
scorza said:
LOL spoken like a true Russian shill :D Start with an ad hominem, then present some dubious claims as facts, finally ask "what about what the US did X years ago?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Syrian_Civil_War_barrel_bomb_attacks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32581007

1% of those killed by barrel bombs are rebel fighters, yes much more accurate than western weapons :rolleyes:
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You are aware that none of those deaths will be officially documented and the numbers given are reported by the terrorists in the terrorists held areas?

So of course the reported casualties are going to be skewed.

If you have ever seen the aftermath of one, I seem to find it strange that all casualties seem to be male of fighting age.
 
Anyone think how incredibly 1984esque it all is?

I'm all for Russia taking out rebels. If there was a serious armed uprising in this country I'm sure it would result in similar reprisal from our government and our 'friends'

Having read the article on the DM which reports on the pro US West complaining that the Russians are destabilising the region...uh, that's exactly what you wanted....Oh oh wait, you mean they're not destabilising it the way you wanted?

It's all an absolute con.
 
USA and Russia agree about air strikes in syria
russia carry out air strikes.
USA moans:rolleyes:

i hope they can get stuck in and take out a load of IS, try bring syria under some sort of control again
 
It's naive to think Russia is just going to do the west a favor and simply eliminate ISIS. Of course they're going to crush the anti-Assad rebellion as well while they're at it. I would imagine Russia wants Assad to stay in a stable regime while they build up some forces and permanent bases there. They're just trying to counter what the US has been doing in the region for the past decade.

I also have to say that they're no doubt spurred on by the totally weak and inept US foreign policy under Obama. Credit to Putin; he's taken advantage (Ukraine and now Syria) and has played it very well.
 
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