Soldato
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I would extend that to any Arab/Muslim country. They need to sort their issues internally, else the entire continent gets dragged down.
ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.
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Trouble is it did, and it made everything much worse.
Soldato
I often wonder if people like you have any idea, any at all of what its like to live under fascism.
Thats a rhetorical question btw.
Associate
So am I, but the local fighting age males are not fighting for their own country, they are lifting their little petticoats and running away to ours instead. Thank goodness British men didn't do the same when the Luftwaffe came along bombing us each night or we'd all be speaking German.
Soldato
lol what a load of rubbish
which side would they even join then? its nothing remotely like Blighty vs the Gerries
what did Germany do with prisoners and what do ISIS do?
we had established armed forces to join who would train and equip you
some random Syrian just going to take up arms against ISIS on his own? or join a dictator who kills his own people more than Isis do? great choice
Did you have first-hand experience of Saddam's Iraq or Gadaffi's Libya?
Soldato
To say it is currently a civil war in Syria is a joke.
Over 70% of the people Assad is fighting are from various hard-line Islamic factions such as Islamic state, al-Nusra, Islamic front, Ahrar al-Sham etc who are nearly all imported fighters, leaving less than 30% from the FSA and that is in itself made up of many smaller factions. And many of those smaller factions have some quite hard-line views.
The simple fact is Assad is the only viable option in Syria, unless you want hard-line Islamic groups ruling.
http://www.********.com/view?i=466_1443266657
The guy in the video sums it up nicely and he is a U.S senator.
To be fair I now understand why that did what they did, impressed in fact.
The only way to keep order in the middle east is to rule with an iron fist. Islam with its hundreds of factions means violence can only stopped with violence.
Caporegime
Well maybe it still would be a civil war if Assad had bothered fighting these groups instead of concentrating on the moderate, secular forces like the FSA.
The FSA was never a moderate, secular group.
It (was) a loose coalition of smaller groups, some of which wanted an islamic state in Syria. The FSA suffered a number of defections to ISIS, which should tell you something.
The last I read the FSA barely even exist these days.
Caporegime
... and with it any hopes for a speedy resolution to the Syrian civil war. Armed forces that get beaten a lot do tend to suffer from defections that's true, and we all know how good the Islamic State's recruitment propaganda is, so it's not surprising that some went to this group.
We could have a speedy resolution if we wanted to, by backing Assad. The reason we won't is because it doesn't align with our own interests.
The US/UK don't actually give a crap about a civil war in Syria. We ignore plenty of places that exist in perpetual civil war. The reality is they won't back a government which is friendly to Russia and not prepared to be a vassal of the US.
Soldato
Well groups like Islamic state etc set themselves up where there are few government forces, until they can build themselves up to attack a larger target such as Al-Raqqah. So until this point the government have no interest as they themselves are not being attacked. As to attack them they would have to pass through area full of many regional factions, where they would be attacked along the way.
Caporegime
LOL if you offered Assad US vassal status he'd snap your hand off - all he cares about is his continued survival and wealth, he's already said to have amassed assets worth $1.5bn.
Nor should we give a crap about the Syrian war - we didn't start it, we didn't interfere with it, it's up to Syrians and other local players to resolve it. I certainly don't think Assad is deserving of help, or that if help was forthcoming he'd be able to use it to defeat Islamic State.
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lol what a load of rubbish
which side would they even join then? its nothing remotely like Blighty vs the Gerries
what did Germany do with prisoners and what do ISIS do?
we had established armed forces to join who would train and equip you
some random Syrian just going to take up arms against ISIS on his own? or join a dictator who kills his own people more than Isis do? great choice
Their solution is to stand their ground like men and fix their nation, not run away like useless cowards abandoning their women and children. If they pick running, the EU should return any fighting age males found on their shores, their presence alone proves they simply roll over and quit when the work gets tough. We can do without that.
Soldato
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Would you return fleeing Christian men?
Serious question.
Serious question.
Soldato
No we dont need first hand experience to be aware of atrocities do we?
Do you actually think we should back assad?
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No we dont need first hand experience to be aware of atrocities do we?
Do you actually think we should back assad?
What do you think are the alternatives to Assad? Would you like to see an islamic government in charge?
Or do you think after the example of Iraq, that creating and installing a western-approved government will make things better for the people? The Iraqis now consider themselves worse off than before the war.
It's OK tho, as one US senator frankly said, the war wasn't about helping the Iraqi people - it was about making the US and its allies "safer".
It's laughable that anyone would think the west are at all concerned with the Syrian people.
Oh and the UN have stated that they believe rebels have used Sarin in Syria. So even if Assad used it also, putting the rebels in charge certainly doesn't guarantee a less oppressive regime.
Caporegime
Are you concerned for the Syrian people at all by backing Assad?
Well if the country wants any progression or freedom at all they better not end up with an islamic government, eh?