ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

You've brought nothing to the discussion aside from ignorance. It is your argument that is fallacious and easily fact checked to be wrong. It's not my job to educate you, you need to do that for your self. I'd start now if I were you because frankly, what you have posted is highly embarrassing. :rolleyes:

What you have sadly demonstrated , is you are towing the FOX news party line - Assad (and iran) are allied to Russia - Red Russia being `the enemy` - notice how the recent media coverage of putin follows this.

heres some history for you

In 1952 Iran held democratic elections and Mosaddegh won. The UK and USA did not like this and the loss of control of the oil - so they persuaded the Shah to remove the democratically elected leader, by force. Thus the terror in iran was born , until 1979.

so please stop being an embarrassment to yourself and others , you have quite a 1 sided view of history ; especially recent events of removing leaders of arab countries has done so well in stability for the region - if you are a wahhabist
 
so please stop being an embarrassment to yourself and others , you have quite a 1 sided view of history ; especially recent events of removing leaders of arab countries has done so well in stability for the region - if you are a wahhabist

In 1952 Iran held democratic elections and Mosaddegh won. The UK and USA did not like this and the loss of control of the oil - so they persuaded the Shah to remove the democratically elected leader, by force. Thus the terror in iran was born , until 1979.

You are the one who is embarrassed. I'm not talking about Iran so why bring it up? Second time in this thread I've had to point out this simple straw man fallacy to the myopic. Assad is a criminal. Defend him and prepare to be ridiculed, that's how this discussion goes. :rolleyes:
 
Because Syria is not a democracy. As should be completely obvious from the first part of the quoted paragraph: in a democracy, the leader is not replaced by their brother!
His brother was never the leader of Syria he was next in line to become leader of the Baath party.

You're right that Syria didn't have democracy before Assad, that was one of the things he instigated along with improving women's rights. This is why the extremists hate him because they view him as too westernized/progressive.


Your whole post ignores the fact that Assad started the war by firing on peaceful protestors.
Peaceful protesters as a rule, don't run around with AK-47s.
 
What you have sadly demonstrated , is you are towing the FOX news party line - Assad (and iran) are allied to Russia - Red Russia being `the enemy` - notice how the recent media coverage of putin follows this.

heres some history for you

In 1952 Iran held democratic elections and Mosaddegh won. The UK and USA did not like this and the loss of control of the oil - so they persuaded the Shah to remove the democratically elected leader, by force. Thus the terror in iran was born , until 1979.

so please stop being an embarrassment to yourself and others , you have quite a 1 sided view of history ; especially recent events of removing leaders of arab countries has done so well in stability for the region - if you are a wahhabist

yep also here's a full list "A Timeline of CIA Atrocities"

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html
 
Because Syria is not a democracy. As should be completely obvious from the first part of the quoted paragraph: in a democracy, the leader is not replaced by their brother!

Your whole post ignores the fact that Assad started the war by firing on peaceful protestors.

june 2014 the parliamentary elections in Syria had 30 international observers and the report was it was a fair and democratic election to western standards
 
I've never mentioned Iran so how can he do that?

Basically, when you say that person X is a dictator, yet that person is a significantly better leader than many of the actual dictators you have no issue with that causes a double standard that damages your claim that person X is actually a dictator (as does that person being democratically elected but that's a separate issue).
 
I've never mentioned Iran so how can he do that? Stop posting nonsense. :rolleyes:

I'm out. Can't reason with the unreasonable :rolleyes:

As has been said you are spouting your vitriol without looking at the other cases in the world. Your argument , from relying on bias , falls flat on its face at that point.
 
june 2014 the parliamentary elections in Syria had 30 international observers and the report was it was a fair and democratic election to western standards

IIRC the parliamentary election was in 2012, it was the presidential election held in 2014. Both were conducted fairly/legitimately (something even Syria's enemies agree on), and respectively saw a coalition victory for the Baath party and a re-election for Assad.

*EDIT*

The Baath party actually got >50% of the seats by themselves but formed a coalition with the socialist party and the communist party anyway to leverage a larger majority.
 
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how many `brutal dictatorships` hold open and transparent elections.... which they win fairly , then instead of holding all the power , form a coalition!
 
You're right that Syria didn't have democracy before Assad, that was one of the things he instigated along with improving women's rights. This is why the extremists hate him because they view him as too westernized/progressive.

I actually fully believe he started with good intentions - but road to hell and all that.

Its a part of the world where weak leaders don't tend to last long and strong ones end up having to do bad things which kind of ends up forming a vicious circle.
 
Peaceful protesters as a rule, don't run around with AK-47s.

Im amazed we keep chasing around the roundabout of the same old points, the record player is broke.

Peaceful protesters were peaceful, until Assad forces started to kill them for voicing an opinion that Assad did not like. Rather than step down, he took up arms against them.... Guess what follows?
 
Can't have been that tiny considering the thousands of causalites. I'm further amazed that just because it was "a tiny number" then it is quite fine to condone executing them it would seem.

Strange, we don't execute minority protesters in our democratic country. You'd have thought Syria would be the same, given your account of the country.
 
so where is the military action by the west in Egypt? or against Saudi arabia for the thousands they killed in the arab spring?

or , as I have said - its ok when its `our` dictator....
 
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