ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Russia wanted in advance, missiles fired at airbase in desert.... maybe Syria shouldn't have launched a chemical attack... Maybe Obama should have done something like this earlier when his 'red line' was crossed. (though hypocritically Trump was anti attacking Syria back then)
 
Food for thought people. The Christian community in Syria have said they are standing by Bashar Al Assad, as he is the only leader who has ever stood by the Christians.
 
USA informed Russia about the missiles before they fired them, interesting. Looks like this Syria disaster might find some end.
 
Once the US decides a "regime" change is in order it's just a question of time. Should be surprising how they can pull the same stunt every.single.time. to justify it but it's not.
 
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Will anybody be surprised when it transpires that it was the US backed terrorists moderate rebels that actually used the Sarin, and not the Assad regime, in order to draw this exact response?
 
Dis86 said:
The only people I support in that conflict are the civilians. Poor sods.
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Agreed, it's a horrendous mess that won't be sorted any time soon.

A horrendous mess that wouldn't have been sorted if Assad had been removed right at the beginning either.

The Syrian people are stuck between a dictator, an religious cult, and two waning superpowers fighting a proxy war.
 
dowie said:
Russia wanted in advance, missiles fired at airbase in desert.... maybe Syria shouldn't have launched a chemical attack... Maybe Obama should have done something like this earlier when his 'red line' was crossed. (though hypocritically Trump was anti attacking Syria back then)
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"He" did do something earlier. "He"/they forced Syria to surrender the vast majority of their chemical/biological weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Syria's_chemical_weapons

The fact that chemical weapons have been used so rarely in this conflict is testament to that fact. We (the west) didn't just stand back when Syria crossed the "red line", we actually did something about it.

Malevolence said:
Will anybody be surprised when it transpires that it was the US backed terrorists moderate rebels that actually used the Sarin, and not the Assad regime, in order to draw this exact response?
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If that does ever happen it would only be "discovered" in several years time, after the point of no return .
 
jmc007 said:
Conspire - (Oxford English Definition.) "to secretly plan with other people to do something illegal or harmful"
"to seem to work together to make something bad happen"

Agenda is a good word too. (the intention behind what somebody says or does, that is often secret.)

You make your bed as they say.

Your country needs you.
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Certainly doesn't need you old man ;)

Must be a crazy life heralding politicians like they're rock stars too. Live that dream!
 
Malevolence said:
Will anybody be surprised when it transpires that it was the US backed terrorists moderate rebels that actually used the Sarin, and not the Assad regime, in order to draw this exact response?
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I also wouldn't be suprised, I read an instagram post this morning it said "It definitely wasnt assad that used chemical weapons" It does baffle me that people that arn't even syrian are so eager to come to the defense of him so quickly.

Anyway, don't forget the main group being supported right now are these guys.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Democratic_Forces
 
Johno please? said:
I also wouldn't be suprised, I read an instagram post this morning it said "It definitely wasnt assad that used chemical weapons" It does baffle me that people that arn't even syrian are so eager to come to the defense of him so quickly.

Anyway, don't forget the main group being supported right now are these guys.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Democratic_Forces
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And it won't be long before they take raqqah
 
I'm actually surprised to see such a smart and reserved response from the USA (especially considering it's current president).

There isn't really a drawback to this action, for two reasons:

1: If the Western/Rebel story that the airstrike dropped the chemical weapons is true, then a small focused strike on the airbase/planes that was responsible sends a good message not to do it again.
2: If the Syrian/Russian story that the airstrike damaged chemical weapons that had been looted from the Syrian army is true, then a small focused strike on the airbase/planes that was responsible is good anyway because indiscriminately bombing areas with high civilian population is bad, especially when you're a dictator putting down a rebellion.

Also it's kinda amusing to see the USA "Pearl Harbour" an enemy.
 
Amp34 said:
"He" did do something earlier. "He"/they forced Syria to surrender the vast majority of their chemical/biological weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Syria's_chemical_weapons

The fact that chemical weapons have been used so rarely in this conflict is testament to that fact. We (the west) didn't just stand back when Syria crossed the "red line", we actually did something about it.
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You mean he backed down and did something else - the above was a compromise after he backed down - the US filed a resolution at the UN and then Russian negotiated the above, the 'Red line' was crossed and the US didn't take unilateral action. And as we've seen they've not been destroyed. Re-read my post - I said maybe Obama should have done 'something like this'... not 'something'.
 
dowie said:
Maybe Obama should have done something like this earlier when his 'red line' was crossed.
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He couldn't, Russia completely outplayed the USA with their suggestion that Syria surrender all their stockpiles of chemical weapons to the UN (an idea John Kerry originally suggested as something that would work but was unfeasible). After that the west couldn't attack a country that was disarming, Obama's hands were tied.

At the time I thought it good that another ME conflict had been avoided, years later I'm not so sure as we seem to have just made things worse by inaction.
 
ubersonic said:
He couldn't, Russia completely outplayed the USA with their suggestion that Syria surrender all their stockpiles of chemical weapons to the UN (an idea John Kerry originally suggested as something that would work but was unfeasible). After that the west couldn't attack a country that was disarming, Obama's hands were tied.
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well he could have if he's 'done something like this' - he didn't exactly act quickly or decisively, dragged his heels and then Russia played him
 
Id imagine that Syria evacuated staff and planes, seeing as Russia had warning they would have told the Syrians straight away

4 Syrian soldiers hit out of 59 tomahawks would make that seem likely

I hope it doesnt undermine whats happening in the east, with ISIS getting rolled back at last

As for Obama - I think it was our failure to get parlimentry backing to strike assad in 2013 that derailed the US plans, without anyone else backing them, Obamas would not have wanted to act unilaterally, then when it looked like they were giving up the weapons anyway it was moot
 
No sympathy here for the Syrian airforce who've repeatedly dropped barrel bombs fairly indiscriminately on civilian targets.
However, even though (especially if they truly have used chemical weapons) I think the strike is justified and can't help feel it's coming at a time Trump needs it the most.

His administration has been facerolling from one cluster'mess' to another from day one. This attack will no doubt bolster him politically.
 
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