ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

[olivier renault]

Russia joining in on the fun? Nothing can go wrong.

From what bad Hollywood movies tell me, it's a false flag operation run to discredit Russia's involvement. The plot twist at the end is that it's a double false flag op, orchestrated by a rogue CIA cell infiltrated by jihadist Chechen rebels.

 

[olivier renault]

The US make mistakes but it also does most of the dirty work for the rest of the democracies, you should be thanking them not moaning.

You may want to ask yourself why. From the goodness of their heart? That'd be the first. Nobody asked for Team America World Police. The UN wants its peace keeping badge back.

 

[smr]

Fair play to Putin. Finally a super power leader with a pair of balls, not beating around the bush, getting to the point in a proper effort to eradicate this scum and wipe them off the face of the planet.

 

[Watlinguk]

To be honest he's making the US and UK look like panzies.

I feel it wont end well either way but i love the "lets get it done" attitude

 

[smr]

Why do you think a few bombs from the air will end ISIS.

It is ludicrous to think it will.

What's the alternative then? Put our feet up and watch them grow and expand instead? Thought not.

 

[smr]

To be honest he's making the US and UK look like panzies.

I feel it wont end well either way but i love the "lets get it done" attitude

Even if there are ulterior motives like money and oil, at least it's getting done what we want to be done. So hats off to the man. Whilst Cameron and Obama sit around talking rhetoric at least he's using force in an attempt to exterminate ISIL.

 

[scorza]

Even if there are ulterior motives like money and oil, at least it's getting done what we want to be done. So hats off to the man. Whilst Cameron and Obama sit around talking rhetoric at least he's using force in an attempt to exterminate ISIL.

Except he isn't doing anything to exterminate the Islamic State - Russia have done what? 4 or 5 airstrikes against IS compared to hundreds by the USA, Britain, France et al.

 

[smr]

Except he isn't doing anything to exterminate the Islamic State - Russia have done what? 4 or 5 airstrikes against IS compared to hundreds by the USA, Britain, France et al.

Hardly fair since Russia has only just began to flex itself.

 

[Jokester]

and you know the petrochemical industry and pharmaceutical industry and the transportation industry, I mean come on you really think we're going to have electric planes and ships?

Once it's cheaper to use renewable energy generation, yes. The market drives what we use and solar power is increasingly efficient to the point it's reaching grid parity for electricity generation. As soon as you start reducing reliance on oil for energy supply you remove the majority of the demand. Sure planes and ships will be the last to go because the investment is already made but as soon as we can produce man made fuel from renewable energy cheaper than we can extract and produce oil from the ground then it will happen.

Peak oil will happen, not because we run out of it, but because we no longer need as much of it.

 

[Zethor]

Hardly fair since Russia has only just began to flex itself.

If that's the case, why don't wait and see if they accomplish anything before bending over in front of Putin like a groupie in heat?

 

[scorza]

Hardly fair since Russia has only just began to flex itself.

OK let express it in percentage terms - less than 10% of Russian airstrikes in Syria have actually targeted Islamic State.

 

[smr]

Fair enough, come Christmas let's review the situation and see what's happened.

 

[Robosapien]

Some moronic language being used. "Making us look like panzies" "A leader with balls" "sorting the scum out" - even I know at least enough to fathom that the situation and various interests of the many factions involved may not be quite *this* simple and base.

If that's the level of intelligence on offer then maybe you might want to reconsider offering your views on a public forum? It's just a thought mind.

 

[Tefal]

Once it's cheaper to use renewable energy generation, yes. The market drives what we use and solar power is increasingly efficient to the point it's reaching grid parity for electricity generation. As soon as you start reducing reliance on oil for energy supply you remove the majority of the demand. Sure planes and ships will be the last to go because the investment is already made but as soon as we can produce man made fuel from renewable energy cheaper than we can extract and produce oil from the ground then it will happen.

Peak oil will happen, not because we run out of it, but because we no longer need as much of it.

but electricity generation doesn't really fix your chemical feedstock problems.

planes we'll still need natural gas to make into kerosene etc. which wont be cheaper it will still be vastly more expensive.


it isnt going to be a smooth transition it will be a "right theres a lot of things that need rationing out first, followed by a lot of stuff we're used to is no longer economically viable"

 

[Jokester]

but electricity generation doesn't really fix your chemical feedstock problems.

planes we'll still need natural gas to make into kerosene etc. which wont be cheaper it will still be vastly more expensive.


it isnt going to be a smooth transition it will be a "right theres a lot of things that need rationing out first, followed by a lot of stuff we're used to is no longer economically viable"

You realise aviation fuel is just one use for oil right?

The majority of oil (~80%) use isn't even transportation including car use.

 

[Tefal]

You realise aviation fuel is just one use for oil right?

The majority of oil (~80%) use isn't even transportation including car use.

yes i know that, but you realise that oil is also a massive foundation of much of the chemical and pharmaceutical industry, right?

that you cant really fix just by cheaper electricity, so as there gets less we will end up having to ration supplies even as you remove power generation.

so there will likely be a time where we have to decide what will continue to be viable and what wont.

 

[Jokester]

yes i know that, but you realise that oil is also a massive foundation of much of the chemical and pharmaceutical industry, right?

that you cant really fix just by cheaper electricity, so as there gets less we will end up having to ration supplies even as you remove power generation.

so there will likely be a time where we have to decide what will continue to be viable and what wont.

Yes, but it's only part of the market for oil! That's the point, the market for oil products will be increasingly reduced to that of industrial feedstocks as the energy side of it dwindles away. Industrial feedstocks only account for something like 5-10% of oil use.

 

[smr]

Some moronic language being used. "Making us look like panzies" "A leader with balls" "sorting the scum out" - even I know at least enough to fathom that the situation and various interests of the many factions involved may not be quite *this* simple and base.

If that's the level of intelligence on offer then maybe you might want to reconsider offering your views on a public forum? It's just a thought mind.

Where did anyone say it was simple?

 

[Robosapien]

Where did anyone say it was simple?

I think that was me (I was trying to refer to the mentality on display here though).

Out of interest, where do people on this forum get the majority of your information from? Which newspapers do you read/news channels do you watch/other sources? Thanks.

 

[NickK]

Debatable. ISIS don't really post a threat to us, and most of our military action in the area has really been to contain them until a better solution presents itself. Danger to Syrian citizens is a whole other question.

Hmm not sure about that. Globally - giving any crazy that is down, feels an outsider etc - it gives them a focal point.. and a quick and easy route to radicalisation.

In terms of local fighters - the issue is not ISIS but those funding to amplify their hate.

Putin will do enough to look like he's attempting to stabilise his boder neighbour, to negotiate access to oil by providing military hardware and troops - these will have long standing terms and effectively muscles out the west's production in the short term (until the additional capacity is produced).