ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

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ubersonic said:
Back in 2016 when the mannequin challenge was all the rage they made a Youtube video for it, since then various conspiracy nuts/truthers keep reposting it on Facebook as "evidence" of them faking chemical attacks :p
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I think most people understand that it was a video for the Mannequin Challenge, but what it shows is they are expects in faking stuff, like the high production media team for ISIL who produce videos in 4k.

For example:

https://twitter.com/BigStick2013/status/984377929953153024

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...hildren-in-douma-to-play-on-western-emotions/

If I took one of these fake photos and posted it in a week or two and said Assad did it, everyone would bite that bait and be outraged.
 
There may be some WH shenanigans for funding, there may not be. Some of them, especially now toward the end after years of fairly brutal bombardment from their own 'government' have probably blurred the lines with their involvement with actual rebels. Who knows? I probably couldn't blame them after what a lot of people have gone through.

To look at it from the conspirator, tin foil, false flag brigade pov, how do I know the above aren't fakes to make them look bad? They are, after all, seen as legit targets by Assad and his allies.
I do know there's plenty of videos of them rescuing folk that certainly aren't staged.

To label the whole disparate group baby killing and now false flag planting jihadists is a bit much and undermines the frankly brass ball heroics of many of them who're now dead.
 
Washout said:
There may be some WH shenanigans for funding, there may not be. Some of them, especially now toward the end after years of fairly brutal bombardment from their own 'government' have probably blurred the lines with their involvement with actual rebels. Who knows? I probably couldn't blame them after what a lot of people have gone through.

To look at it from the conspirator, tin foil, false flag brigade pov, how do I know the above aren't fakes to make them look bad? They are, after all, seen as legit targets by Assad and his allies.
I do know there's plenty of videos of them rescuing folk that certainly aren't staged.

To label the whole disparate group baby killing and now false flag planting jihadists is a bit much and undermines the frankly brass ball heroics of many of them who're now dead.
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Most of the information comes from White Hat members themselves, their own facebook accounts and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Some of the photos here might be NSFW.

https://en.insidesyriamc.com/2017/1...ts-exposed-look-into-their-eyes-again-photos/

I'm sure they have done some legit rescuing work, a lot of these groups was trying to setup their own nations with their own services.

I haven't made my mind up on what their true purpose is, some are saying they are acting as means to launder money which when they are getting millions of pounds and they only work in "rebel/terrorist" areas and not helping anyone in the Government side allows a easy flow of money to flow to the rebels/terrorists.

But that's one idea for their purpose.
 
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IronWarrior said:
I think most people understand that it was a video for the Mannequin Challenge, but what it shows is they are expects in faking stuff, like the high production media team for ISIL who produce videos in 4k..
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Well they still have the likes of John Cantlie held hostage and since a 4k camera is easily purchased off the shelves these days, I don't think the idea of ISIS throwing together a high quality production is really a great stretch. I'm confused why you find the concept so absurd. I guess the jihadi John videos were fake cia productions too? :p
 
RoboCod said:
Well they still have the likes of John Cantlie held hostage and since a 4k camera is easily purchased off the shelves these days, I don't think the idea of ISIS throwing together a high quality production is really a great stretch. I'm confused why you find the concept so absurd. I guess the jihadi John videos were fake cia productions too? :p
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A lot of the actual production will likely be done elsewhere by sympathisers and the likes abroad and yeah the recording quality itself if you've got someone half clued up on how to use a camera and record footage isn't really a problem - getting the footage out might be a little more complicated.

On another note supposedly French and US officials now have samples that confirm the use of multiple chemical weapons including Chlorine... supposedly.
 
RoboCod said:
Well they still have the likes of John Cantile held hostage and since a 4k camera is easily purchased off the shelves these days, I don't think the idea of ISIS throwing together a high quality production is really a great stretch. I'm confused why you find the concept so absurd. I guess the jihadi John videos were fake cia productions too? :p
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I don't understand what you saying or your point. lol

Jihandi John was real, his videos was real, the people he killed was real.

Rroff said:
A lot of the actual production will likely be done elsewhere by sympathisers and the likes abroad and yeah the recording quality itself if you've got someone half clued up on how to use a camera and record footage isn't really a problem - getting the footage out might be a little more complicated.
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I believe the editing was done in house, based in Mosul, they do have access to Internet like we do.

The Media wing was known as AL Hayat Media Center, started by a German rapper called Deso Dogg.
 
IronWarrior said:
I believe the editing was done in house, based in Mosul, they do have access to Internet like we do.
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Internet access tends to be pretty intermittent or cut off entirely in many of those parts - Syria especially has very limited hard wired internet outside the cities with mostly just very slow Edge mobile data and has been down more than it has up since 2012.

Does seem like a fair bit of production was done in Mosul but a lot of their material is produced abroad as well.
 
RoboCod said:
However, if you just want to dance around a camp fire with flowers in your hair and preach about peace and love, this is the wrong thread for you.
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We should stay out of Syria then, as the reasoning for war is 'peace and love'. I'm not prepared to die in a war with Russia over Syria however horrible it gets for the civilians, are you?
 
Just watching BBC news and they said Trump's tweet yesterday to "get ready for missiles" made the Syrians move their important military assets (planes etc) in to Russian bases where they knew America wouldn't dare attack.

What an idiot.
 
sityeuropa said:
This is absolutely ridiculous.

No proof an attack has actually even happened.
No proof it was even Assad. It is bonkers he would do it at this stage in the war.
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despite numerous chemical weapons attacks, most notably this, most recent one, and the one around this time last year, no actual proof has been given to demonstrably prove that the attacks originated from government affiliated sources. I don't believe we live in a world anymore where people still have blind patriotism such that they simply listen and believe when they hear their president/PM simply state 'we have evidence.' As my representative I want you to prove that you have evidence, I do not accept or allow you to act without question on my behalf when it comes to the prosecution of war in my name.

Assad knows a chemical weapons attack is a 'red line' to the west, so do the rebels. who does it benefit to agitate the west with the use of chemicals? Certainly not the Assad regime. The 'rebels' including notable groups such as ISIS have demonstrated ceaselessly since their inception that they are not above targeting civilians to further their own gains. Its been demonstrated time and again that not only do the rebels have access to chlorine stocks but that we, the UK have allowed supplies of chemicals used in the production of chemical weapons, granting those licenses up to 2012 and it continues to arm repressive states around the world.

Russia is the only member of the security council who has acted to stabilise the region, all the while the UK and America have continued to train and arm rebels and undermine their efforts. Many of these rebels have, unsurprisingly, turned out to be radical Islamists and affiliates of the Islamic state.

This is another war for resources that is generally unsupported by the people whose taxes are funding terrible acts in sovereign countries in our name. It's shameful that the likes of Tony Blair are allowed to walk the streets freely whilst the families of the people they had murdered, who were relentlessly bombarded with chemical weapons of our own in the form of depleted uranium, are now bringing deformed and cancer stricken babies in to the world whilst they mourn their dead. and It will be shameful again if we allow our leaders to sleep-walk us in to another war with no honest presentation of evidence.

If Assad has bombed his people with weapons that are 'illegal' for use in war against radical insurgents backed and supplied by the west then show me the evidence and lets destroy the sod. If you can't present the evidence I simply wont accept 'we have evidence' as justification.
 
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