ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.
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Despite the focus on Afrin and Manbij Turkey have been pushing in the direction of Homs last couple of days not sure their intent - the general direction leads to a pocket held by opposition forces so might be trying to link up with them - I've not really followed events in that part closely.
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Does anyone if the Stop the War Coalition will be holding demonstrations outside either the Syrian or Russian embassies this weekend?
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I never said it was fine. Its not stretching reality, everything Hitchens said in that interview is true.
Also, how did "we" put them there? (whoever we is)
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I dont think launching missiles at Syria is going to do anything.
We really need a cease fire here to get people out. When families are trapped with no way out its pretty messed up.
Russia can be the catalyst for that to occur, but there is going to be no chance given the current political situation with them.
We really need a cease fire here to get people out. When families are trapped with no way out its pretty messed up.
Russia can be the catalyst for that to occur, but there is going to be no chance given the current political situation with them.
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That's it though how do you get a cease fire in place? Putin and Assad are in a position of power and NATO has almost no leverage on them to encourage them to back off. To put it another way the school bully doesn't back down because his victim asked to be backs off when there no longer is a position of power. The ultimate solution is a diplomatic solution but in order to get people talking using military force looks like it will be required.
So far they've presented about as much evidence as the West.
Well, I'm sorry, you helped put him there, don't start bitching about what a moron he is now...
I read a peice on a very questionable site (veterans today) that they had found evidence and captured western agents. Only the evidence they showed seemed very thi.
source:
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/...lton-behind-syria-chemical-attacks-confirmed/
You'll see how thin the evidence really is bar unprovable accusations. See the smoke granade which was supposeable made in england and has been refilled with sarin (is that even possible?), has color instead of colour, seems like an amateur mistake. So if one image is highly questionable how you suppose to trust the others. Also, the date the article was published so happens to be 1 day after the attack (is that coicidental or is it a fake report?).
And, further, if Syria have western agents why are they not being peraded on tv?
The ammount of conflicting narratives floating around makes it very difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff. It is what makes disinformation campaigns so effective which is why i find your input informative.
Ironic that isn't it
For me, this whole incident plays into the environment of misinformation and fake news that Russia has engineered entirely for it's own benefit, which it's been doing for years. (something you have to admit it's done rather skilfully).
The levels of trust between the people of the west and their governments, is currently so low that it's now possible to commit an atrocity, then exploit that distrust directly and blame the people trying to stop it, trust levels are so low - enough people actually buy it and think it's a legitimate scenario, when in fact - it's just BS heaped upon BS.
For me, I imagine Russia engineered Trump into the white house, precisely so they could profit out of the predictability, incompetence and inexperience so they can take part in atrocities for tactical gain, the moment there's an outcry - use that misinformation and mistrust to geld western governments, so they can't do anything without wrecking their own popularity.
Means zero as to who actually used it - we sell vast amounts of military supplies as well as military aid which has been sent to various groups in Syria - its likely a fair amount has been seized as Syria/Russian forces have captured territory, etc.
Likewise spelling of colour means little often in the military, etc. certain words/spelling are used/adopted to avoid any confusion and so on.
Anybody who's watched at least one episode of Columbo, will realise from this - that the moment someone naughty starts telling lies, they have to tell more lies to hide the lies, to keep hiding the lies - along the way things become confused, and versions keep changing, for example,
How can you deal with this sort of thing and it's effects on people's opinions, when different theories are spammed as truth as fast as anyone can generate them
- First we're told the chemical attack is fake and all the footage is performed by actors in a studio
- Then we're told there's no evidence of any chemical attack at all, (no trace of anything)
- Now we're told there is evidence of chemical attack - because it's been done by the west on purpose, (false flag) (completely contradicting the first version)
How can you deal with this sort of thing and it's effects on people's opinions, when different theories are spammed as truth as fast as anyone can generate them
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It's not just ex generals, in the various documents and transcripts made public about Iraq Blair is on record as having told bush he would back him regardless, the decision had been made, they were waiting for a smoking gun and when one did not materialise they fabricated their own And yet people still buy the utter rot that we are drip fed daily.
Yep, i tend not to trust them, the Russians used exactly the same tactic the MJ17. THe dame comes though when people get so confused they cannot tell what is real from what isn't and dont trust anything
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Clark was a chump anyway
We already nearly had WW3 thanks to him
Luckily James Blunt told him to do one and saved the world
(oh well maybe it was 99% Mike Jackson and 1% James Blunt)