Soldato
For such a significant statement the news channels have gone a bit quiet on that. As has Macron. And why didn't he just say what the evidence is rather than keep us hanging?
Bizarre.
Bizarre.
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Well, suppose for a moment he does actually have evidence, it might not be the best idea to instantly reveal it to the entire world for tactical reasons, as it'll be their ace card - there'll be a correct time and place to play it...
You'd think from the way people are talking, than there's some sort of human right for the general public, to be given access to all information as quickly as possible without hesitation, in a situation that could lead to major conflict - I think some people need a reality check..
You'd think from the way people are talking, than there's some sort of human right for the general public, to be given access to all information as quickly as possible without hesitation, in a situation that could lead to major conflict - I think some people need a reality check..
Soldato
The current reality is up until a day or two ago at least two western leaders were outwardly discussing military action against Syria with nothing more than 'it was highly likely' as proof.
I'm curious to understand what sort of evidence Marcon can have which a) the US isn't aware of because I can assure you Trump and his military chiefs would be frothing if they did and we'd certainly know about it, and b) as far as we (the public) are aware no independent verification has taken place.
I'm curious to understand what sort of evidence Marcon can have which a) the US isn't aware of because I can assure you Trump and his military chiefs would be frothing if they did and we'd certainly know about it, and b) as far as we (the public) are aware no independent verification has taken place.
What reasoning would you give if they decided not to tell us at all? Or even if they say something along the lines of 'we have proof but we can't reveal it as in might risk other interests', what would you say to that?
Caporegime
Not really. Engage your brain for a second and think. If he releases what he has prematurely then Russia will just concoct some crap to attempt to show it as being false. Wait, keep it hidden, drop it as the same time as everyone else's evidence and it's overwhelming.
Just look at how Russia behaved over MH17 when evidence was released piecemeal. That fantastic attempt at a photoshop showing a Ukrainian plane in the area when there wasn't one!
Well the latest from the Russians is that the attack which didn't happen, was really a fake attack which didn't happen, which was fake and orchestrated by British agents in the middle of an active battle area surrounded by Syrian/Russian forces. I'm almost impressed.
Soldato
I understand what you're saying and I agree but Russia will refute any evidence at any point in time. Macron would have been better to have said nothing by that logic.
Wasn't the old saying 'keep your powder dry'
Assad interview
Thought he didn't care what the world thinks?
Makes a good point @ 3:40 - the Jihadis were advancing and gaining ground a few weeks ago and if he'd had chemical weapons why not use them then. Not that it matters to those programmed to react to staged events by their governments, because these days even an innocent "hello" from Putin or Assad can be spun to mean an insult to someone, or a sign of "belligerence".
Thought he didn't care what the world thinks?
Makes a good point @ 3:40 - the Jihadis were advancing and gaining ground a few weeks ago and if he'd had chemical weapons why not use them then. Not that it matters to those programmed to react to staged events by their governments, because these days even an innocent "hello" from Putin or Assad can be spun to mean an insult to someone, or a sign of "belligerence".
Soldato
surprised sky news aired his side
How is it all BS?
We know for a fact that our own government is beyond incompetent and holds nothing but contempt for anyone earning below $100k, there's a good god damn reason trust is low, because they keep ******* lying and hurting their citizens.
The only reason the US and UK are currently in this embarrassing situation is because we put ourselves there, Russia or whomever else is involved is barely a blip on the bigger inter-connected problems we have in the West that we don't seem to want to solve. We gloss over it with "apparent" increases in wealth, well it can't continue forever and we will be forced to deal with it eventually.
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I know. But the BBC also spares a few minutes for Peter Ford's view, to present a mutated appearance of "balance", before sparing hours for others pushing the "something must be done" argument. It is a concession to indications of massive public opposition to UK involvement in missile strikes, as evidenced by latest polls.
They could easily "do something", if they really wanted, about lies that led to a war in which over 1,000,000 were killed, by putting Tony Blair and Richard Dearlove in prison for life (which is still too kind). Start at home. Send out a message. THEN talk about acting elsewhere, including Saudi Arabia which is murdering hundreds of thousands in Yemen all because they didn't want the Saudi puppet as their leader and ousted him.
Nothing any different to what is being said by the West - he claims certain times or circumstances but that is just his word.
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Russia has been propagating BS for years - it's what it does, you think all of the state sponsored fake news that they've been peddling - which pretty much everyone (including non-governmental organisations) has been affected by, has nothing to do with Russia? of course it does - it's how it operates in this day and age, it floods the world with BS, then uses that BS to it's advantage - by making it very difficult to figure out exactly what's happening.
As I pointed out earlier, one of the major hallmarks of BS is that it has a tendency to not be consistent, if you read through what Russia has said about many incidents, from the Annexation of Crimea, to the Chemical attack in 2017, to the thing in Salisbury, a whole bunch of different stories tend to come out every time. Because people are lying, it's very difficult for people in a large organisation to all tell a lie and it be consistent, remain consistent and stand up to scrutiny, things change, people make mistakes, stories end up contradicting each other - more lies are spun to cover up the lies which are failing - which is why each time something happens, we end up with three or four different versions; "Nothing happened!" "they're all actors!" "That satellite photo is from a video game" "It's fabricated!" "He tripped and fell"
The fact our own governments are run by a bunch of verminous cretins is beside the point, the issues we mostly have with our government are mostly down to incompetence and poor quality individuals, to put it simply - they're just rubbish, compared to somewhere like Russia - look at what they've managed to achieve with all of their targeted confusion and fake BS, it's pretty incredible when you think about it.
It's not really besides the point unfortunately, because they are cretins, quite simply means they are either easy to blackmail or easily misled.
But whatever, If we truly wanted to annoy Russia, we'd end Brexit and be at the forefront of an EU Federal Military system and stop being a childish state that doesn't give it's citizens a legitimate choice at the polls.
But whatever, If we truly wanted to annoy Russia, we'd end Brexit and be at the forefront of an EU Federal Military system and stop being a childish state that doesn't give it's citizens a legitimate choice at the polls.
Caporegime
The very fact that we're going through with brexit shows we're better than Russia. It was a free and open vote.
Well i'm not arguing that point, but it regardless means the West is ultimately weakened, something that undoubtedly amuses the Russian leadership a great deal.
It should also be stated that, regardless of whats going on, pure democracy is as disgusting as pure authority.
Caporegime
The thing is it doesn't have to mean the West is weakened. Our military obligations and partnerships haven't changed.
The word of a man that the best of Syrians believe in, or ally with, given the alternative. You have to wonder how fast the opportunistic Treason May and her ilk (on both sides of the aisle) would get out of Britain if the same situation developed.
But our economical ones will be severely hampered, far more important in the long run.