Why is that a huge mistake vs the huge loss of life the mishmash armed assault would be by a bunch of uncoordinated armies and militias with ill defined and contradictory goals?
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Why is that a huge mistake vs the huge loss of life the mishmash armed assault would be by a bunch of uncoordinated armies and militias with ill defined and contradictory goals?
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You happy to let Al-Qaeda to have their own country? What about ISIS? Maybe they should have their own nation too, what about the Taliban?
Like said, this deal will resolve nothing, they be stuck in stalemate looking at each other for years to come, our kids will grow up and see nothing resolved while the kids growing up there will be turned into soldiers to kill each other.
Lol except that's not what's happening ehstd happening is theyre contained while we find a less genocidal/potentially ww3 starting solution.
This isn't about Syria, same as Afghanistan, Vietnam and Korea weren't about those countries.
Who cares what some ****** bit of dessert has as its flag for a few years. Hell if we took that approach we'd be invading Israel and Palestine next week.
And the Taliban do have thier own country.... Afghanistan
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Weirdly everyone seems to be denying this one - except the UK and France who haven't commented. Though it probably is the work of Israel - be interesting to see if this marks an escalation from them.
EDIT: Supposedly a Russian electronic warfare plane went down during the attack - might be why everyone is denying it if there is any truth to that.
RT now claiming launches detected from a French frigate... https://www.rt.com/news/438676-french-frigate-mediterranean-missiles/
EDIT: Supposedly a Russian electronic warfare plane went down during the attack - might be why everyone is denying it if there is any truth to that.
RT now claiming launches detected from a French frigate... https://www.rt.com/news/438676-french-frigate-mediterranean-missiles/
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Icing on the cake is, the Syrian ADF exclusively use Soviet and Russian weapons systems.
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RT saying
"Russian Il-20 downed by Syrian missile after attacking Israel’s F-16s used it as cover – Russian MoD"
how can you hide a fighter jet behind a surveillance plane ? not very good surveillance
"its his fault i punched you in the face because he ducked when i tried to punch him and you were stood behind"
"Russian Il-20 downed by Syrian missile after attacking Israel’s F-16s used it as cover – Russian MoD"
how can you hide a fighter jet behind a surveillance plane ? not very good surveillance
"its his fault i punched you in the face because he ducked when i tried to punch him and you were stood behind"
Position the other plane between you and the incoming missile, depending on the age/guidance system it will home in on them instead, especially if you use countermeasures and they don't have any.
It's similar to how a British cruiser in the Falklands ended up accidentally destroying the cargo ship carrying all the task force's supplies by deflecting an incoming Exocet into it.
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Maybe in your fantasy world but most countries are actually fighting them.
Well its Pakistan really.
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yes, obviously
it was just amusing how the RT article was written
Also its clear for the second time that Russia needs to provide better training when handing over anti air systems to its allies
very high up the coast that Israeli attack though
Pretty sure the guys originally trained on Syria's SAM systems will be retired/dead by now. Also there's nothing they can do anyway unless the missile has a recall (self destruct) ability and is still within range.
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You confused with fighting ISIS. No one is fighting HTS other then SAA and their allies.
The SDF and Americans are 100's of miles on the other side of the country and Turkey is in the north who have setup forward observation posts all along the edge between SAA and them. Not a single western country has ever done a airstrike or conducted any sort of military operation against them during the Civil War.
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Yes, pretty much this.
The S-200 is a really old missile system, good back in the 60's, but compared to the new stuff today, it's old, obsolete and stupid.
Once the missile is fired, it has no way to tell friend or foe, it just tracks for the biggest signal it can detect and since the II-20 surveillance plane is a huge target compared to the smaller F16's and if they positioned between each other, it's easy to understand why it happened.
The blame should be shared equally between Israel and the Syrian crew who fired it. The Syrians should had detected the plane and confirmed who they are. The control units to fire the missile are really basic, the screens themselves don't really show who is who, but the system does have an IFF system in place to stop this happening.
Anyway if in doubt, they should had been made aware that an II-20 was in the area and should had that noted and should had confirmed with their command units who should also know this.
The biggest amount of blame then should be given to Israel who clearly know the II-20 was there and know that their flight path would put them between the AD units and the Russian plane between them. Needless to say, very smart of them to use it as a decoy, but that's what you expect from Israel.
They have a history of playing very dirty, they like to use IFF pretending to be Americans in the last few years.
The II-20 itself should had countermeasures, maybe they used them, maybe they didn't, but am going to also assume it was a very chaotic situation for them, last thing I would had thought they be expecting.
Problem is countermeasures (and things like "lockon" detection) don't work like the movies/games in real combat - they might not even have had any indication of a missile lockon for instance - often countermeasures are just activated on approach and when leaving a target area (for an attack craft) and only used otherwise due to either eyeballing a threat or missile tracks being called in by ground based radar operators, etc. (plus the point about Israel playing dirty with IFF).
I think he's referring to how the last time they gave them out they shot down an airliner
Ahh, meh I'll leave the conspiracy theorist to it then.
Well kind of, though last time it was seemingly an actual Russian military unit that was responsible (whether they were technically "on holiday" and in Ukraine unofficially or not) and not the pro-Russian rebels themselves as the other poster seems to be indicating.
Nope it's still just a less plausible theory, though I will give it to you that despite that it is still the one most commonly repeated by western governments. Regardless, the idea that Russia sent the Ukrainian rebels some Russian Buks to use instead of their existing Buks for no reason is still daft.