ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Made me laugh on the news this morning, the US are criticising Toyota because in all the ISIS videos they are always driving Landcruisers and other Toyota models...and how they should look into how and why ISIS are getting and using their vehicles....

Wait, Obama GAVE them the Toyotas lol, people in the US were actually annoyed at the time that he didn't send them American pickups but it turned out they had specifically requested Toyota/Hilux.

*technically he gave them to "moderates" but they were appropriated by ISIS, (that or the moderates were ISIS pretending to be moderates, not sure how you background check insurgents to make sure they are you're kind of insurgents lol).
 
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The US hasn't been criticising Toyota - that's just media spin, it's just been asking how Islamic State are getting hold of all these brand new models, which is a fair question. I doubt Toyota has any dealerships in the Islamic State so they must be buying them in another country - if we can identify those individuals, send them for a quick holiday in Uzbekistan, we can find out more about the way IS is run and maybe hamper their operations a bit.

Ok, ok some spin on it about the criticising, but it made a non story into a bit of a chuckle.

It's hardly anything new, just a quick bit of googling shows this has been mentioned for ages now, here's an article from 2010 talking about rebel groups love of the Hilux for the last few decades

http://www.newsweek.com/why-rebel-groups-love-toyota-hilux-74195

"The Toyota Hilux is everywhere," Andrew Exum, a former US Army Ranger who is now the US deputy assistant secretary of defense for Middle East policy, told Newsweek. "It's the vehicular equivalent of the AK-47. It's ubiquitous to insurgent warfare. And actually, recently, also counterinsurgent warfare. It kicks the hell out of the Humvee."

The Hilux is apparently a durable truck that has proven useful for terrorists who are fighting against lightly armed special forces.

The truck is "fast, maneuverable, and packs a big punch [when it's mounted with] a 50-caliber [machine gun] that easily defeats body armor on soldiers and penetrates lightly armored vehicles as well," Alastair Finlan, who specializes in strategic studies at Aberystwyth University in the UK, told Newsweek.

It's just the best car for the job :p
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...es-hit-three-medical-facilities-a6685476.html

USA hits one medical facility in Afghanistan = worldwide outrage, scorn and criticism. Russia hits three medical facilities in Syria - miles away from the Islamic State and nothing, apart from an article hidden at the bottom of the Independent's front page.

The first of those strikes happened a week ago and is apparently still unconfirmed? There's also absolutely nothing there about the extent to which the hospitals were hit, nor are are there any photographs of the damage. Maybe they did, or maybe the US PR machine is working overtime.

Still, from what was written it doesn't sound like the strikes were even in the same league. The USA's bombing of the MSF hospital was sustained. It lasted an hour. During that time, MSF contacted the Pentagon repeatedly, yet the bombing continued. If Russia has hit some field hospitals, it may have been accidental. The US's attack on that MSF facility clearly wasn't. An AC-130 doesn't repeatedly miss and hit the same spot for a whole hour.
 
The first of those strikes happened a week ago and is apparently still unconfirmed? There's also absolutely nothing there about the extent to which the hospitals were hit, nor are are there any photographs of the damage. Maybe they did, or maybe the US PR machine is working overtime.

Still, from what was written it doesn't sound like the strikes were even in the same league. The USA's bombing of the MSF hospital was sustained. It lasted an hour. During that time, MSF contacted the Pentagon repeatedly, yet the bombing continued. If Russia has hit some field hospitals, it may have been accidental. The US's attack on that MSF facility clearly wasn't. An AC-130 doesn't repeatedly miss and hit the same spot for a whole hour.

The US airstrike in Kunduz happened a week ago too. Not sure why that matters? The important thing to remember is that the US airstrike was apparently called in by Afghan troops, who said the Taliban were firing on them from it, though this is carefully denied by MSF. If Russia say that terrorists were using a hospital you'd all just accept it and say Go Putin - it's pathetic.
 
In case people are wondering where ISIS is getting weapons from...

Much of the Isis weapons stocks, particularly “state of the art” weaponry stolen from the US-backed Iraqi military, was “unused” before Isis seized it, the report finds.

But some of the relatively complex weapons “may be too much of a challenge” for Isis to effectively wield or maintain.

(Source).

Investigators find Islamic State used ammo made in 21 countries, including America

Much of the Islamic State arms and ammunition were captured on the battlefield, but intelligence reports have suggested that the group’s income from oil sales and other sources is high enough to finance purchases of additional weapons directly from the companies and dealers that routinely profit from strife in the Middle East.

(Source).

“There’s a number of sources,” says David Axe, a freelance war reporter who knows a lot about weaponry. “ISIS, like all Syrian opposition groups,” he says, “enjoys a strong level of support from Turkey, from Qatar, from Saudi Arabia."

The reason, says Axe, has to do with common interests. "What ISIS wants, to some extent, overlaps with what certain powerful people in some of these Gulf states want, which is, for lack of a better word, a 'Sunni-stan' — a homogenous Sunni Muslim state in what is now Syria and Iraq.” Turkey, he adds, wants to see Syria's president out of power.

Officially, Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia deny that their citizens support ISIS in any way. Qatar and Saudi Arabia even point to laws they have passed that make it difficult for individuals to send aid to militants. However, research by the Brookings Institution shows their enforcement of such laws and policies has been mixed.

Money from the Gulf is used to acquire weapons on the black market, says Axe. He says New York Times reporting last year examined air traffic data and found that planes fly with weapons from the Gulf to Turkey, or sometimes head to third countries like Croatia to pick up weapons first and then to Turkey.

Croatia has a thriving small arms industry, says Axe, with black market ties.From Turkey, the weapons are moved overland into Syria.

(Source).
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...es-hit-three-medical-facilities-a6685476.html

USA hits one medical facility in Afghanistan = worldwide outrage, scorn and criticism. Russia hits three medical facilities in Syria - miles away from the Islamic State and nothing, apart from an article hidden at the bottom of the Independent's front page.

From your link.
"reportedly damaged" "If it is proven" total fail. But it goes on to say "Russia could face war crimes charges."

Does that mean the USA are facing war crimes charges as it's proven they hit a hospital?

Try harder scorza. Hmmm scorza sound Russian to me :)
 
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The US airstrike in Kunduz happened a week ago too. Not sure why that matters? The important thing to remember is that the US airstrike was apparently called in by Afghan troops, who said the Taliban were firing on them from it, though this is carefully denied by MSF. If Russia say that terrorists were using a hospital you'd all just accept it and say Go Putin - it's pathetic.

It matters because the strike is still unconfirmed, with no evidence as to who was responsible, no photographs or any information as to the extent of damage or injury caused. All we have to go on is vague statements from the US State Department and the New York-based Physicians for Human Rights.

The USA's strike on the MSF hospital left no doubt as to who was responsible, how bad the damage was or how many people were killed or injured in the attack. The evidence is there, clear as day.

The two events aren't comparable yet. There is insufficient evidence to draw parallels.
 
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From the article:

A big oil deposit has been found in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, with enough reserves to last Israel for decades, according to the country's media.



which is owned by Syria and internationally recognised as Syrian territory.

In the same way Turkey has no claim to Cyprus and Crimea is in Ukraine?



So yes, Syria does have oil. A lot of it.

No it has 0.16% of all known oil reserves, 1/3 what the UK does.
 
From your link.
"reportedly damaged" "If it is proven" total fail. But it goes on to say "Russia could face war crimes charges."

Does that mean the USA are facing war crimes charges as it's proven they hit a hospital?

They already are.

Why is it that whenever the US takes military action the brave journos of the west (and cowardly custards working for RT) flood into the area the US are targeting and report with glee every ounce of collateral damage. Now that Russia is doing the same why have we not seen the same level of coverage?
 
They already are.

Why is it that whenever the US takes military action the brave journos of the west (and cowardly custards working for RT) flood into the area the US are targeting and report with glee every ounce of collateral damage. Now that Russia is doing the same why have we not seen the same level of coverage?

Because the Russian forces very sensibly shoot journalists on sight.
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...is-while-advising-syrian-regime-a6687276.html



Islamic State weren't in Aleppo before Russia started its airstrikes...

Wiki seems to disagree with you...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Aleppo_(2012–present)

Involvement of Islamic State

In August 2014, Islamic State captured eight villages located in the city between the border of Turkey. Reuters reported that 40 fighters were killed in the confrontation. The insurgents also seized Marea, a town with a population of 20,000 from the rebels. Middle East Eye opined the defection of the rebels in the governorate to Islamic State as the reason for the group's advances.

In the end of that month, the rebels including Nur al-Din al-Zinki Movement, Hazm Movement, the Islamic Front, Jaish al-Mujahideen and al-Sham battalion launched the "Nahrawan Battle" against the IS insurgents. 43 militants of the group were killed in the fighting
 
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