Tbf, I did misread that as Aug 15, not Aug 14 but even then the last sentence doesnt make sense, unless it's supposed to say Jan 15
ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.
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Tbf, I did misread that as Aug 15, not Aug 14 but even then the last sentence doesnt make sense, unless it's supposed to say Jan 15
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More importantly, how did Islamic State manage to launch an audacious raid that killed an Iranian Brigadier-General when they're supposedly being attacked every day by Russia?
Soldato
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I suggest Russia bombing Islamic State's rivals has something to do with it.
And so they should do, your bias is showing, they bombed a bloody hospital
You've posted a pathetic story about "Russia supplying nuclear waste to ISIS" yet the US murdering civilians and doctors is a non event, are they beyond criticism and above the law?
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And so they should do, your bias is showing, they bombed a bloody hospital
You've posted a pathetic story about "Russia supplying nuclear waste to ISIS" yet the US murdering civilians and doctors is a non event, are they beyond criticism and above the law?
Agree. Everyone should be held to account whichever side their supporting/fighting for?
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No one is shooting around ISIS
Russias primary objective is to secure assad and they attack who is closest threat to him.Before you make Russia sound all bad, Turkey for past god knows how long have been bombing kurds under guise of bombing ISIS.
Everyone is doing their own little thing.
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If we held Israel/Saudi Arabia accountable for their atrocities we would`ve had UN army stationed there and forcing a regime change.
US has been vetoing everything and anything against those countries for last 2 or 3 decades. You should also read up about Hague Invasion Act, which pretty much states that any US citizen or its Ally if charged and detained in Hague will be taken out of there by US military invasion if necessary.
I just dont think its right to speak of "war criminals" if your own country signed a document stating that if one of yours is found to be a war criminal you will get that individual out by force... Either way, everyone should be held accountable but not the US.
I also find it intriguing how Western governments are concerned with Human Rights in Russia, especially free speech and gay rights.. Publicly denouncing Russia and calling it evil... Now don't get me wrong, Russia has those issues and by no means am I saying that its a good thing. However, when one of our closest ally "Saudi Arabia" doesn't even allow women to drive or walk uncovered let alone gay rights and are in process of chopping 21 year old guy`s head off and then crucify him for being against the Royal Family and to top it off, get appointed to UN human rights council with all this... it seems like a wicked joke doesn't it?
World is an evil place but being most evil and trying to have a moral high ground while at it, doesnt seem like a solution.
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The UN stands for nothing, Saudi Arabia in the human rights council?! An insult to anyone. Of course the deception of the west and its crimes under the guise of being the "good guys" doesn't excuse the Russian government who would probably change places with the US in a heartbeat.
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Because bringing this up to government level doesn't benefit neither Russians or Americans in any way.
If US Department brings this incident up, and denounces Russia, they will be seen as hypocrites. If it brings it up from perspective "Look Russia is doing it too" that would be even worse since the Americans will admit that they are as bad as Russians which is a boo boo no no... Russia is empire of Evil and US will never ever do anything as bad.
Do I agree with doing things this way? No. Its just governments washing their hands in blood of people. Welcome to planet earth 2015.
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Oh I totally agree with this, I just have an issue with the concept that the bad guys lie about being good and have the audacity to hold moral ground.
Moreover, the "good guys" have created the world where "being bad" seems to be a highly rewarding experience.
On ground level, Russia is bad dont get me wrong, but once you start zooming out, you will see a country that's trying to play by current world rules which have been set up by the West. Eliminating Russia as the "bad guy" would only get you so far, we already eliminated USSR, the world didnt become a heaven. Once the rule book gets changed, the baddies will either turn good or die out on their own.
To put it simply, if in real life, being Alpha male meant being a nice person rather than an bum-hole and a jerk, dont you think there would be a major decline in Jerks?
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I thought it was OK to ignore human rights abuses by middle-eastern governments, because if you criticise them and they collapse you get Islamic State?
I sometimes think America wants Europe flooded with refugees so white flight can boost America. I bet they see North America as the new Europe. They are backing Arabia in ousting Assad yet if he goes you end up with every single minority in Syria fleeing to Europe.
Yazidi, Christian, Alawite would all be joining the queues. And then once they get done with Syria being a little Sunni Jihadi nation they look towards where? Lebanon? North Africa? Caucasus? At least Russia is propping up the minority goverment and stopping the flow of migrants. Although i dislike when Putin said the moderates should be involved in peace talks.
There is no such thing as an Islamic moderate.
Yazidi, Christian, Alawite would all be joining the queues. And then once they get done with Syria being a little Sunni Jihadi nation they look towards where? Lebanon? North Africa? Caucasus? At least Russia is propping up the minority goverment and stopping the flow of migrants. Although i dislike when Putin said the moderates should be involved in peace talks.
There is no such thing as an Islamic moderate.
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Its more about choosing lesser of two evils unfortunately in this case... We bombed Libya over Human Rights (well thats not the tin-foil hat stance
) and look where their human rights are right now, they dont exist. It is also extremely fishy to bomb a country that has moderate issues with Human Rights when your best buddy has a track record of having pretty much none.More-over once the bad juju (ghedaffi) was removed, it seems the whole Human Rights issue went away? Surely if we were truly interested in Human Rights in Libya we would be supporting them right now? Because HR in Libya under Gheddaffi compared to now, were heaven level.
If human rights was our true aggenda
surely we have failed people of Libya miserably? If so, how does doing exactly same thing in Syria make it any better...
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LOL - think you've been playing too much CoD mate. Firstly US foreign policy for the last 70 years has been all about ensuring a stable Europe (and yes, one that's subservient to them), no need to change that now. Second of all - the USA doesn't let anyone in - so they aren't going to be taking in any white flight from Europe, otherwise I'd already be there. Thirdly, Russia/Assad stopping the flow of migrants? Most of the migrants are fleeing Assad (not Islamic State).
Its more about choosing lesser of two evils unfortunately in this case... We bombed Libya over Human Rights (well thats not the tin-foil hat stance
More-over once the bad juju (ghedaffi) was removed, it seems the whole Human Rights issue went away? Surely if we were truly interested in Human Rights in Libya we would be supporting them right now? Because HR in Libya under Gheddaffi compared to now, were heaven level.
If human rights was our true aggenda
Ignoring the Human Rights argument, Gadaffi had it coming to him for a long time. I know you're not British so you may not know this but back in the '70s and 80s the Libyan regime was supplying the IRA with Semtex which killed a lot of British soldiers. I don't believe the west caused the Libyan uprising - Julian Assange and wikileaks have more blood on their hands than we do over that - but when it did happen I'm glad we took our opportunity for a bit of revenge.
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Well that is pretty dirty isnt it...
We show dude some love, give him weapons, shake his hand and then all of sudden take a bit of revenge on him when opportunity arises...
In regards to white-flight, since I am here
you`d be surprised how many very well qualified EU nationals are present here. The amount of Brits sitting on high end jobs in financial industry is staggering... Well from my personal experience that is, which by no means is backed by an article or statistical evidence
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Well how do you classify British? I mean, I do have British Citizenship and a rather thick English Accent
well by American standards anyway.But then, I do admit, I have 4 nationalities... No, no, not like in American way "I am 1/8th German cause my great gran-dads mother was" I mean as in I have 4 physical passports from 4 different countries. Might be 3 though, Lithuania doesn't allow dual-citizenship let alone quadruple but so far heard nothing from them.
