ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

EvilSooty said:
Here's George Galloway demolishing him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2JVKeOExEE
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Buried nuclear parts are not to be brushed off, also if that was hidden, what else was?

Of course you think Hitchens was "demolished" you're on the side of galloway. I cant actually believe he shows his face in public after meeting Saddam, Assad and praising them.

 
Johno please? said:
Buried nuclear parts are not to be brushed off, also if that was hidden, what else was?

Of course you think Hitchens was "demolished" you're on the side of galloway. I cant actually believe he shows his face in public after meeting Saddam, Assad and praising them.

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If that was even true given all the lies around Iraq? Are there any links besides Hitchen's word for it? I'll take the word of the UN weapon inspectors from the time who all said Iraq was disarmed of any such programs and posed zero threat.

You can't invade countries on the basis of 'what ifs'. Let's not pretend Iraq was a military threat in any way after a decade of genocidal sanctions. It wasn't threatening the UK and there was no UN resolution permitting the invasion.

It's as simple as that unless you want to live in a world of 'might is right'.

It was obviously about oil.

Galloway meeting Saddam trying to stop a war is obviously worse than defending one based on lies that left hundreds of thousands dead...

Galloway was right about Iraq unlike the warmongerer Hitchens.
 
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Johno please? said:
Buried nuclear parts are not to be brushed off, also if that was hidden, what else was?

Of course you think Hitchens was "demolished" you're on the side of galloway. I cant actually believe he shows his face in public after meeting Saddam, Assad and praising them.

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Looked up Mahdi Obeidi and his centrifuge buried in his garden as if it was some kind of 'smoking gun' evidence. Laughable as expected.

The centrifuge in question was part of the program dismantled in the '90s and had been rusting in his garden for 13 years by 2003 yet he claimed this was evidence Iraq held onto its nuclear ambitions until the end? That they hadn't bothered to go back to get it for 13 years suggests the program was abandoned, no? Where's the evidence that they had actually restarted their nuclear program? I won't hold my breath.

OK, so we have a single rusty forgotten part from a program dismantled in the '90s that was buried. Doesn't it require hundreds of brand new centrifuges for nukes? Like the rest of the WMD drivel not very convincing.

Hitchens should have stuck to easy targets like religion.

P.S. Arguing this stuff is like going back in time. I feel like I'm in first year of uni again :)

P.P.S. If all that it takes is having a 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' program shouldn't the UK be invaded? Unlike Iraq in 2003 we actually have functioning biological, chemical and nuclear weapons program. Porton Down still makes chemical and biological weapons, for testing purposes only of course, but that could easily be ramped up.

That always struck me as the height of hypocrisy.
 
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Amnesia said:
You do care about the situation in Syria, its why you never leave. You're always there in the background looking upset throwing in the odd comment which really just asks remember me?
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Comprehension skills: 0
I was replying to your attempt at humour about me caring about your opinion. I don't. Come on, keep up. Your instant James Bond and such like responses since my question about why you care is telling. I've called you out, you can't answer. You're right, I do care about Syria, it implicates me and what I have to do in my life daily. You on the other hand are a keyboard warrior dwelling on a forum with no answers to pointed questions. You're just another virtue signalling cretin.
Smokey Deza said:
He's just bitter because he's been utterly demolished by EvilSooty and he hasn't got the brain matter to challenge him.
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By utterly demolished you mean constantly repeating the same thing, like it was his own revelation? "THE WHITE HELMETS ARE FUNDED BY A BRIT!!!1".

Stick to smoking weed and talking tripe kid. You're doing well.
 
EvilSooty said:
If that was even true given all the lies around Iraq? Are there any links besides Hitchen's word for it? I'll take the word of the UN weapon inspectors from the time who all said Iraq was disarmed of any such programs and posed zero threat.

You can't invade countries on the basis of 'what ifs'. Let's not pretend Iraq was a military threat in any way after a decade of genocidal sanctions. It wasn't threatening the UK and there was no UN resolution permitting the invasion.

It's as simple as that unless you want to live in a world of 'might is right'.

It was obviously about oil.

Galloway meeting Saddam trying to stop a war is obviously worse than defending one based on lies that left hundreds of thousands dead...

Galloway was right about Iraq unlike the warmongerer Hitchens.
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A brief article on David Kay, former chief weapons inspector while he agrees there were no "stockpiles" as such, there was clearly intent, capability and breach of UN resolutions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kay

There's always this avenue, there's no concrete evidence its just something people should keep an open mind about. https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...a-receive-its-chemical-weapons-saddam/325348/

Of course he tried to stop the war, he wouldn't be receiving anymore money from the ba'ath party after Saddam was disposed of xD
 
RoboCod said:
Exactly, I don't care :) and neither do you.
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Amnesia said:
You do care about the situation in Syria, its why you never leave. You're always there in the background looking upset throwing in the odd comment
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RoboCod said:
Again, comprehension skills, none!!

It's OK, I understand, I asked you a meanie question that you don't want to answer. Don't be upset.
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oh surprise surprise he is still here
 
Johno please? said:
A brief article on David Kay, former chief weapons inspector while he agrees there were no "stockpiles" as such, there was clearly intent, capability and breach of UN resolutions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kay

There's always this avenue, there's no concrete evidence its just something people should keep an open mind about. https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...a-receive-its-chemical-weapons-saddam/325348/

Of course he tried to stop the war, he wouldn't be receiving anymore money from the ba'ath party after Saddam was disposed of xD
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More drivel. This Kay character can't substantiate that they actually posed a threat and relies on hypothetical situations where in the future they possibly could.

It's ********.

Let's boil it down to one simple question:

What threat was Iraq to the UK in 2003? What threat justified deploying our troops? You know British soliders died over this ********? Were disabled for life over these lies?

Justify it.

Did you fight in Iraq? If you didn't, why not? Or are you just willing 'to fight for the last drop of someone else's blood' like your pathetic hero Christopher Hitchens?

My brother fought in Iraq and thank god he didn't die, but he knew people who did. Remember the police station where a squad of military police were killed? He trained with all of them.

******* armchair warriors disgust me.
 
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EvilSooty said:
My brother fought in Iraq and thank god he didn't die, but he knew people who did. Remember the police station where a squad of military police were killed? He trained with all of them.
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That was a ***** up situation if it is what I think it was - put in a bad position with hardly any ammo by someone in an office. A girl I went to school with was killed by friendly fire in Iraq as well :(

EvilSooty said:
How can people be so callous? Well over 600K dead, but they still justify it. Revolting.
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Always an interesting one for me is the balance of turning a blind eye to ongoing atrocities versus the potential for more deaths by intervening.

Iraq was never about any one factor anyhow.
 
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Rroff said:
That was a ***** up situation if it is what I think it was - put in a bad position with hardly any ammo by someone in an office. A girl I went to school with was killed by friendly fire in Iraq as well :(
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Cheers, Rroff. We can agree on one thing at least :)

Yeah, from what he told me they were sent out completely unprepared and unequiped in death trap vehicles that couldn't even withstand IEDs. You know the landrovers they have in Northern Ireland? That's what they had.

He had to buy his own body armour, boots and various other things online as the army standard issue was utterly useless.

This is partly why I get so heated about all of this. If people advocate for interfering in other countries it is our troops who have to go out there and be killed.

They should only be sent if there's a ******* good reason and I see none. Self defence only.
 
EvilSooty said:
Yeah, from what he told me they were sent out completely unprepared and unequiped in death trap vehicles that couldn't even withstand IEDs. You know the landrovers they have in Northern Ireland? That's what they had.
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I'd have to look it up but from what I recall some of them were sent out with a total of 6 rounds of ammo each due to the approach taken by someone who had no direct interaction with what was going on and refused to listen. Not sure if that was one of the incidents that got certain political individuals involved who put heavy pressure for the Landrovers to be replaced.
 
Rroff said:
I'd have to look it up but from what I recall some of them were sent out with a total of 6 rounds of ammo each due to the approach taken by someone who had no direct interaction with what was going on and refused to listen. Not sure if that was one of the incidents that got certain political individuals involved who put heavy pressure for the Landrovers to be replaced.
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He never complained about ammo, but certainly about everything else. The landrovers were designed for amateur attacks from the likes of the IRA, not in a warzone. Unbelievable that's what they used.

He said about going to the US bases and being shocked at how well supplied they were in comparison. Never should have gone into that war.
 
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