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StriderX said:
It's very difficult to trust a snapshot like that, but i'm sure plenty of people will.
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Google translate. Includes the video. These are videos posted by them, not Greece.

https://www.tanea.gr/2020/03/02/gre...n-ta-paidia-pano-apo-foties-gia-na-dakrysoun/

As for the Independent article about the boat, the whole article is seriously misleading.
a) The video is from a boat, which the coastal guard pushed back to Turkey and arrived back successfully
b) However the Independent mixes into an article another incident that occurred on Saturday, when the people on the boat saw the coastal guard, sank their own boat before the Greeks arrive and had to be rescued. In this instance one child died regardless how hard the medical staff at Mytilini hospital tried to recover it.

2 separate incidents that need require someone with intelligence to separate in same article. Otherwise the whole point of the article was to condemn Greece that is sinking boats and drowning children.

Sinking their own boat inside Greek territorial waters, is common tactic by them for years, so Greece would be forced to rescue them and take them in. They do not care (and using as a shield) the 1-2 women and 1-2 children on the boats that might be drown. The rest are male between ages 15-25 from all around the ME and Africa will land safely without problem.

And again. If 100,000 decide to use boats what Greece can do? Take them in? What if they are 1,000,000? What if they are 3,000,000 as Erdogan threatens.
Does anyone in Britain comprehends this is an invasion which Greece cannot stop without becoming Israel & Australia sinking the boats and kill few of them as example to stop the rest? Greece has taken in 1,2million that way already (with population 9mil). Stuck in Greece as everyone else has closed borders with Greece. The first open border is between Austria & Germany. Everyone south has closed border policy.

How you expect Britain to respond if 100,000 in boats decide to cross the channel? Take them in when they sink their board requiring rescue? What if France threatens with war if you try to deliver them back? (as is the case here with Turkey).

If this thing doesn't stop now, and a solution found for the other 1,2mil stuck in Greece, we will have new Mladic, Karadzic & Raznadovic (Arkan) appearing. Because this is Balkans also and that would be the worst case scenario however not remotely impossible. The Greek population is really pushed to the wall after 10y breathing taxes and free fall to incomes & quality of living. The avg salary for a Greek with 40-50h week is less than the monthly benefit all these get by the EU & UN while doing nothing. But neither the EU nor anyone else comprehends this. And the Greek government does it's outmost to avoid the matter even discussed.
 
robfosters said:
Why did he hold the kid over the fire though?
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Read the article above with google translate. Basically they slap the children while on top of the fire to uncontrollably cry from the smoke, then put them on the front line to show to the media that Greece hits with tear gas children.

Thats no different than having 1-2 children on each boat, and if something happens and the boat sinks, crying that they lose children while crossing. Even if the rest are males between 15-25 who can swim. Is all down to the hybrid warfare Turkey has opened with Greece.
 
Panos said:
Read the article above with google translate. Basically they slap the children while on top of the fire to uncontrollably cry from the smoke, then put them on the front line to show to the media that Greece hits with tear gas children.

Thats no different than having 1-2 children on each boat, and if something happens and the boat sinks, crying that they lose children while crossing. Even if the rest are males between 15-25 who can swim. Is all down to the hybrid warfare Turkey has opened with Greece.
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I’m with you on this. Greece should do anything in their power to stop this invasion, even if it means taking a few lives, they need to know the decision is final and they are not coming in, and Erdogan lied to them.

Turn their anger on to Erdogan.
 
If weak leaders keep caving and letting them in it's just a matter of time before the natives start enacting their own measures, which will be unregulated and possibly malicious.
 
Iraklis F.C. said:
No way in hell, we are broke we cannot sustain such an operation. Safe we are behind the river and sea, its remarkable we even have the armed forces we do, punchy not sizeable though...
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Other EU nations should step in and back you up with forces and equipment.

after all, isn’t the EU supposed to be a union?

As much as I’ve disagreed with him in the past, Guy Verhofstadt is spot on with his views on this.
 
robfosters said:
Other EU nations should step in and back you up with forces and equipment.

after all, isn’t the EU supposed to be a union?

As much as I’ve disagreed with him in the past, Guy Verhofstadt is spot on with his views on this.
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Really?

Turkey and Greece are in NATO, it's not a matter for the EU unless you want that much loathed 'EU army' to be justified, this feels little more than an attempt to attack the EU for something that isn't in their remit, which is lame.

The more Turkey makes a mockery of NATO, the more the whole alliance looks like a scam, honestly long past time we stopped involving ourselves with it and simply did something relevant only for European powers.
 
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StriderX said:
Really?

Turkey and Greece are in NATO, it's not a matter for the EU unless you want that much loathed 'EU army' to be justified, this feels little more than an attempt to attack the EU for something that isn't in their remit, which is lame.

The more Turkey makes a mockery of NATO, the more the whole alliance looks like a scam, honestly long past time we stopped involving ourselves with it and simply did something relevant only for European powers.
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They may not offer martial support, but they sure should offer political support. Erdogan is a bully he is fast running out of reasons to be in NATO.
 
nkata said:
They may not offer martial support, but they sure should offer political support. Erdogan is a bully he is fast running out of reasons to be in NATO.
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I don't see what point that would have, ideally if there was to be a response, it would be to ignore whatever commandments have come down from the US and reinforce the Greek border.

Just launching a mean letter at Erdogan is laughable. The US is the only one that can deal with another NATO member with any sort of clout and it's busy being dumb.
 
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