ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.
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The Jews might disagree with you on that one.
The whole list is bogus. There has been plenty of religious tension in this world that has had nothing to do with Islam and there continues to be plenty.
That isn't entirely accurate. It does have a basis in Islam, it may not be exactly what the Koran says but it does have its basis in Sharia law. Extramarital sex can be punishable by stoning, rape is extramarital sex. It is somewhat of a stretch to blame the victim however but it can happen especially when an already misogynistic religion is adopted into an already misogynistic culture.
Have you a list ?
Soldato
Lord's Resistance Army
Is that it ?
Fixed it for you.
Soldato
first off the top of my head
It wasn't supposed to. Point I was making to bitslice was that it's not as simple as saying ISIS and other groups are simply doing what the Quran tells them to and I stand by that.
There are plenty of factors at play here.
Would ISIS exist if Iraq hadn't been invaded?
Would ISIS exist if Syria's Government hadn't taken such a hardline response to the initial protests (which by the way were initially fuelled by social and economic conditions rather than idealogical differences)?
Would Muslims from the Middle East join ISIS and their like if there were effective support mechanisms for victims of the constant bloodshed? God knows the psychological damage that's been done over there.
Would ISIS have gotten so much territory if there was a united Muslim front between Islamic states?
The conditions of the Middle East, where everyone the world over has a stake, have made it an ideal place for such groups to grow and I imagine many Muslims who join ISIS, at least the Syrian/Iraqi ones, do so not because they believe it to actually represent Islam but because it's easier to join than fight the bigger bully. Lets not forget though that not everyone has welcomed ISIS, with some Syrian groups fighting them as well as Syrian forces.
No, it's accurate and that's twisting it somewhat. Rape is a punishable offence where the offender is punished not the victim. Extramarital sex is punishable but a different offence. It may not happen in that way because of Muslims themselves, particularly as it's misogynistic as you say, but to say it has a basis in religion is wrong.
For example
Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr said:
The scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the hadd punishment if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the hadd punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (i.e., if there is no proof that the hadd punishment for zina may be carried out against him because he does not confess, and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him). There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her, which may be proven by her screaming and shouting for help.
in Al-Istidhkaar
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Muslims don't stop thinking according to the quran even if they are in a situation that makes it difficult, many UK muslims still want Sharia law even though they are in a Christian country, and they still see themselves as one big worldwide group and their loyalty remains to that group.
Muslim nations all over the middle east would jump at the chance to shove their version of islam into other countries faces if they thought they could get away with it.
Saudis offer to Germany of free mosques is just war by another means.
They generally have the attitude that their religion is the only one that can be tolerated, hence all the oddly 99.9% muslim nations in the world. The first thing ISIS did was kill all the Christians, before laying into all the versions of islam that didn't match theirs.
Other countries tend not to care what people do or think too much about what the state religion is - there is no religious identity.
The rules over marriage are a barrier to integration too, I think only Jews and Mormons behave like this.
Everything about islam is done to set itself apart from everything else, it is a pointless exercise to insert that culture into another country and not expect friction.
This is what lib-left constantly get wrong and their naivety is so bloody infuriating - all they see is another religion and assume it is a minority that must need molly coddling. When really islam is nothing less than a relentless social tool designed to replicate and expand until it dominates everything.
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Muslim nations all over the middle east would jump at the chance to shove their version of islam into other countries faces if they thought they could get away with it.
Saudis offer to Germany of free mosques is just war by another means.
They generally have the attitude that their religion is the only one that can be tolerated, hence all the oddly 99.9% muslim nations in the world. The first thing ISIS did was kill all the Christians, before laying into all the versions of islam that didn't match theirs.
Other countries tend not to care what people do or think too much about what the state religion is - there is no religious identity.
The rules over marriage are a barrier to integration too, I think only Jews and Mormons behave like this.
Everything about islam is done to set itself apart from everything else, it is a pointless exercise to insert that culture into another country and not expect friction.
This is what lib-left constantly get wrong and their naivety is so bloody infuriating - all they see is another religion and assume it is a minority that must need molly coddling. When really islam is nothing less than a relentless social tool designed to replicate and expand until it dominates everything.
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I should also add that it seems that attacks, or threat of attack, on the West is when people take terrorism seriously.
Hundreds of innocent men, women and children have already died this year from attacks by ISIS and no-one, really, sheds a tear or shows solidarity. You've got thousands of victims who already blame the West for Iraq, Afghanistan and other conflicts, that feel as though they mean nothing so what do people think is going to happen? Seems to me there's a recruiting pool right there, full of disillusioned and psychologically damaged people who just need a slight nudge in the wrong direction. The human mind is fragile and weak, and even perceived injustices can lead to disastrous decisions.
Hundreds of innocent men, women and children have already died this year from attacks by ISIS and no-one, really, sheds a tear or shows solidarity. You've got thousands of victims who already blame the West for Iraq, Afghanistan and other conflicts, that feel as though they mean nothing so what do people think is going to happen? Seems to me there's a recruiting pool right there, full of disillusioned and psychologically damaged people who just need a slight nudge in the wrong direction. The human mind is fragile and weak, and even perceived injustices can lead to disastrous decisions.
Imagine if the Middle East was full of Methodists when Amercia arrived looking for WoMD, would all the Methodists suddenly turn into Ultra Evangelical Christians and turn their women into Stepford wives? Would they march up and down and blame everything on sin and homosexuals?
Yet in the same power vacuum that America created, muslims instantly revert to the base ideals of the quran, they turn ultra orthodox and run around like little Mohammeds in a Jewish supermarket, hacking as they go.
Islamic culture is always on the precipice of turning into a monster, and the recipe for that monster clearly lies in the quran
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Just on the news france have dropped 20 bombs on a ISIS stronghold and are moving their aircraft carrier into the middle east.
Soldato
None of those you mention were religion based terrorist groups they had very specific political agendas. Brevik was a weird obviously heavily bullied at school lone nutjob with a gun or two I'm not sure why people even attempt to use him as a comparison.
Jihadi John was one of them n all it turns out.
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Man of Honour
Good.
It's all very well saying that until you see what it does to the people wearing those boots. My youngest brother and a couple of close friends have been to both Iraq and Afghanistan. There needs to be better aftercare of our armed forces. They sign up to do a job, that's true but they need better aftercare, laying their lives on the line in a fight is one thing. They need better help to continue their lives when they come home.