ISPs to be ordered to boot illegal downloaders

RDM said:
Yeah because the similarities between the civil rights movements and internet piracy are striking...
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urm, same for the similarity between internet piracy and speeding?
Discussions often spout sub-topics etc, my point was opinions are not so worthless :) In this case the opinions and feelings of the population will hopefully be heard and this farce will end up with the industrys being told to adapt.
 
Cycrow said:
hopefully that will not happen, otherwise i would have major problems.

im constantly sending lots of encypted data.

i work for a games company from home, so i have a constant vpn connection to the office, and theres always a lot of traffic traveling between it
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It's pretty trivial to differentiate between VPN connections and encrypted p2p, so no need to worry.

Not that I think that would stop BT from banning encrypted traffic on consumer connections and tell you you've got to buy business/professional package to use a VPN...
 
neocon said:
corporate internet

i dont believe copying is theft
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What planet are you from? Somebody owns the rights to the content, you're taking the content without paying for the rights, thats theft. You stole it.

So tell me why piracy isn't theft.

Also the corporate internet thing makes no sense, you rob banks but it's OK because they're huge multi-nationals??
 
only the morons argue that its moral, most of us argue that the industry is too stubborn and greedy to adapt, and it serves itself right for losing out because of piracy, yes some innocents are harmed, but its the fat cats that are harmed the most.
Even then, its still not a massive harm, because in this day and age people would quite simply go without, since I got the internet I watch films a lot more, but even then we have a skymovies subscription etc etc, so I would see them eventually...
Music, well I could just listen to online radio.. so I dont see the difference hardly there.
Games.. I would go without, I happily buy games for cheap when I see them and know they are worth it though.
 
If this law did pass and the music and movie industry did make millions more do you think the price of CDs, DVDs, HD and BluRay DVDs and game will fall in price? I mean if news Albums were £4 and DVDs were £5 I'd be buying them all the time.
 
peetee said:
urm, same for the similarity between internet piracy and speeding?
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An illegal act that a relatively large number of people think is OK? Yeah, I can see the similarities. Can't you? Much more so than the civil rights movement, unless there is some underlying injustice I am missing here?
 
You spouted something off topic, so did I, whats your point, my point is still valid than opinions in numbers can often lead to more..
Anyways back onto topic.

Watchtower... its hard to understand isnt it? Why not just adapt to the industry and probably make more money etc?? Because it means the big cheeses will lose out overall.. so they would rather try and force the hands that feeds them ..
 
bigredshark said:
What planet are you from? Somebody owns the rights to the content, you're taking the content without paying for the rights, thats theft. You stole it.

So tell me why piracy isn't theft.

Also the corporate internet thing makes no sense, you rob banks but it's OK because they're huge multi-nationals??
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It could be argued that theft requires someone (or some organisation) to be deprived of something. That doesn't necessarily happen with this kind of piracy.

Say, for example, I fancy watching the X-Files. The boxed set costs £200. No way am I going to pay £200 just to watch each episode once and waste some space with DVDs I don't want.

I am, therefore, not a potential customer. The company will not make any money from me. If I rip the episodes off from the net, the company does not make any money from me. It will not lose them any other sales, either, as I am not burning the episodes to disc and giving them to people who might otherwise have bought the boxed set (not that I know anyone who'd pay £200 for the boxed set). The company has lost nothing by me ripping the episodes off the internet. So what have I stolen?

Illegal, yes. Morally wrong, yes. Theft, no.
 
apatia77 said:
how on earth will they prove you downloaded anything illegally?
im sure thats is well complicated,
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Looking for connections between PC's on well know P2P port numbers, once they have your IP they can track you down.

If you SSL encrypt stuff they will know "something" is being transferred but it's going to be much harded to know "exactly" what.

HEADRAT
 
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HEADRAT said:
Looking for connections between PC's on well know P2P port numbers, once they have your IP they can track you down.
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How will they know if you're downloading legal data though, like say a Linux distro' or a game patch? That's what I don't understand.
 
Since all this nonsense started I moved to SSL on my giganews account. I was surised at the lack of speed decrease, I still get between 2 and 2.3MB/s. I never use it for anything illegal of course, but I thought the move to SSL would save misunderstandings later on if any of this was introduced.
 
HEADRAT said:
They will take a look at the payload.

Google is able to tell if the video's on Youtube site is copyrighted from the digital "fingerprint" of the file
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You do realise how much resources it would take to do data capture/real-time packet sniffing on every peer? Right now I would say hardly any ISP's actually have the equipment for it.

As mentioned above if you tunnel your p2p over SSL then they won't have a clue whats in the payload. The port numbers thing is crap as well... cos you could equally as well use something like DC++ over standard ports such as http/ftp/pop3.
 
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