It looks like the 'real' /affordable RDNA3 + next gen NV desktop launch won't launch until September. Thoughts?

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One thing I noticed looking on US websites, there was a new RX 7900 XT listed for £650 (not including import duty).

It seems reasonable to think that they could offer the same price in Europe /the UK.

 

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You would think the 4090 is 50% faster than the 7900XTX.

The 4090 on average is 22% faster at 4K, source TPU, 356 Watts 7900XTX vs 411 watts 4090.

Indeed.

But I think it would probably make more sense to wait until they can use an optimised TSMC 3nm process to scale up the compute units beyond 100.

I wonder if the vcache versions of RDNA3 exist /are in development? I can see that providing a worthwhile improvement.

 

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£300 for a RX7600 doesn't seem too outlandish.

Especially when considering that it could fall to the price of the RX 6600/6650 XT in 2023.

 

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$300 is an insult especially when you consider intel are selling a card with double the size TSMC 6nm die and double the VRAM + bus for around the same price.

Not true is it? The Arc A770 16GB costs ~£400 at the moment. The performance is similar to the RX 6600 XT.

 

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Looking at the specs 32cu, full navi 33 die and the 165w TBP it looks like the 7600 is a replacement for the 6650 XT rather than the 6600. 33 more watts than the 6600.

yup.

On a separate note - It ought to be clear to people by now, that the Navi33 and AD106 GPUs aren't remotely exciting, and this should not be a surprise, they are low end and cheap to mass produce.

The only interesting feature they both support is frame generation (with FSR3 still to come).

On paper, the main performance difference appears to be the approx. 2x FP32 processing power of the Navi33 GPU, compared to Navi23.

The RTX 4060 TI 8 or 16GB card is based on the AD106 GPU, notably not AD104, which would have been the same approach that they took with the RTX 3060 TI (based on GA104).

Therefore, it cannot really be considered to be a successor to the RTX 3060 TI, despite it's name.

 

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Only because it’s pretty much out of stock everywhere currently but was £330 a couple of weeks ago, regardless the 8gb version is easily available at £280 and packs double the die size, bus and requires a more complex PCB than a 7600 due to this and the higher TDP.

Most people will just be buying the RX 6700 XT instead, even if you get a could get a good price on the Arc 16GB version.

Also, cards like the RX 6750 XT are around 20% faster than the Arc according to techpowerup, and can be bought for ~£340 at the moment.

One thing to note about the top Arc GPUs - The transistor density on 6nm isn't very good at 53.4M / mm². But there's the possibility of doubling this (or more) with a better fab process. The RX 7900 XTX has a transistor density of 109.1M / mm² on TSMC 5nm, so I'm sure Intel could surpass this on a denser fab process, like 3nm.

 

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The RTX 4060 TI isn't great is it? The RTX 3060 TI gets higher 1% lows in some games:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Founders Edition Review

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4060 Ti launches today. The green team's new $400 card offers plenty of performance for even the most demanding titles at Full HD and beyond. Our review confirms that thanks to the amazing energy efficiency of the AD106 GPU, the Founders Edition runs cool and quiet at all times.

www.techpowerup.com

Generally a little slower than a RTX 3070.

 

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Yes, RX 6700 performance seems like a good bet.

These cards are going for ~£290 now, so the RX 7600 will need to be priced at this level, or a little below.

Simply replacing the RX 6600 XT at ~£250 would make the most sense.

 

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I'm thinking that AMD will want to launch FSR3 alongside Navi32 cards, which are likely to sell well (as navi 22 did):

AMD FSR 3 Might Generate Up To 4 Interpolated Frames & Be Enabled On Driver-Side

AMD FSR 3 will be featuring frame generation technology, allowing it to generate up to 4 interpolated frames for each real frame.

wccftech.com

The potential of it being implemented at the driver level is interesting.

 

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seems decent 29% uplift gen on gen while lowering price to $269 from $329 wonder how it holds up against the 4060

I think basically, they've made it look a bit better by calling it a RX 7600 rather than a 7600 XT.

It has the same number of Compute Units are the 6600 XT though (32). This is the card it should be compared to.

 

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Better cost per frame at 1440p for pretty much the whole RX 6000 series shown here:

Laughably Bad at $400: Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Review

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The RTX 4060 TI is slightly behind all of them on value (at the MSRP of $400).

It's clear that cards like the RX 6800 need a price cut though.

 

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Oops that was a typo, corrected that to RX 6600 XT (or RX 6650 XT).

 

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The 6650 XT can be had for as little as £216.

AMD has a problem, I think really this is how much the RX 7600 should cost, considering they are offering basically the same performance.

 

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The RTX 4060 TI 8GB (~£370) is nearly as fast as the RTX 3070, but it's around £100 cheaper than the MSRP of the 3070, not so bad really.

Wouldn't pay more than that though. I think the trouble is that neither card is ideal for 1440p games in 2023, but both perform very well as 1080p cards.

 

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The RTX 4060 TI at ~£370 makes the RTX 4070 seem poor value (especially at 1080p) at ~£550.

But the RX 6700 XT at ~£315 is better value than the RTX 4060 TI, especially when comparing 1% lows at 1440p.

The RTX 4070 (still) needs a £50 price cut

 

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AMD will do what AMD have been doing for a while now, they'll release something at a price and within a month or two drop prices.

Yup.

I imagine they will try to sell off the RX 6650 XTs as soon as possible because they are probably the best value cards (at ~£216) at 1080p right now.

 

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Looking at the results in detail, it looks like the RX 7600 would provide a smoother experience at 1080p compared to the RX 6650 XT in some games, with a notable difference in Warhammer III:

Full article here:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7600/35.html

 

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It's actually not so easy to recommend a cheap, decent performing 1080p card at the moment, because in some games, it looks like they just didn't optimise the game engine and AMD drivers for AMD cards:

 

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I think might as well buy a RX 6800 or RTX 4060 TI for 1080p, in some games it's clearly not overkill.

The RX 6800 is a better card than the RTX 4060 TI in overall performance, but the price is too high for the AMD card atm.

EDIT - The RTX 4060 ought to provide decent performance at 1080p, it's coming in July I think. I'd guess they will price it at ~£300.

 

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The RTX 3060 TI would be a good pick for 1080p I think, but I think they will drop the price soon, as it doesn't make sense that it costs about the same as the RTX 4060 TI 8GB.