It looks like the 'real' /affordable RDNA3 + next gen NV desktop launch won't launch until September. Thoughts?

[g67575]

A770 says hi.

Well, it's like £350 for the 16GB version with sub RX 6700 XT performance.

Not cheap.

Maybe if it gets to £300 though.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Well, it's like £350 for the 16GB version with sub RX 6700 XT performance.

Not cheap.

Maybe if it gets to £300 though.

The RX6700 was under £300. In the US it's quite cheap too.

 

[Joxeon]

So does the RTX3060 and RX6700XT.

Maybe releasing rubbish new cards is just a strategy to keep selling off the older backlog of stock.

 

[g67575]

Intel isn't a serious competitor yet, AMD knows that.

The transistor density on the ARC cards sucks, small dies also.

But when they do a die shrink with the next gen, it could be a very different story.

 

[Zarax]

The ROCm leak said RX7700XT, and it was apparently an official contribution. I hope it was a typo.

Maybe AMD is trying to gebait Nvidia like it did with RDNA1?

 

[humbug]

The ROCm leak said RX7700XT, and it was apparently an official contribution. I hope it was a typo.

Whose ROCm?

I do not believe the 7700XT is Navi 33.

 

[g67575]

Maybe they will be extra confusing and release a low end Navi33 7700 series GPU. But why bother?

AMD tend to have a simple lineup, at least for desktop GPUs.

 

[Joxeon]

Well, it's like £350 for the 16GB version with sub RX 6700 XT performance.

Not cheap.

Maybe if it gets to £300 though.

Won’t the 7600 be £300ish for sub 6700xt performance and only 8gb ram though?

If both companies release poor cards in this segment then it maybe Intel who cleans up when Battlemage arrives.

 

[humbug]

There are 4 SKU's from Navi 21, 6950XT, 6900XT, 6800XT and 6800.

I see no reason why there can't be 4 SKU's from Navi 32.

7800XT, 7800, 7700XT and 7700, all 16GB.

 

[g67575]

Won’t the 7600 be £300ish for sub 6700xt performance and only 8gb ram though?

If both companies release poor cards in this segment then it maybe Intel who cleans up when Battlemage arrives.

Probably similar price to the 6600 (around £200). Just like the 7600 XT will be similar to the 6600 XT.

So yeah, they are likely to be super cheap graphics cards, £200-£260 for the RX 7600 XT.

Any remaining 6600 series cards will be sold off very cheap also.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Whose ROCm?

I do not believe the 7700XT is Navi 33.

Maybe they will be extra confusing and release a low end Navi33 7700 series GPU. But why bother?

AMD tend to have a simple lineup, at least for desktop GPUs.

It was on there. I was expecting Navi 33 to be firmly below £300. It shouldn't be in any 7700 series dGPU,because it would be an upsell.

Won’t the 7600 be £300ish for sub 6700xt performance and only 8gb ram though?

If both companies release poor cards in this segment then it maybe Intel who cleans up when Battlemage arrives.

It might be around RX6700XT level performance but with less VRAM.So unless they can plonk 16GB on it then it needs to be sub £300.

There are 4 SKU's from Navi 21, 6950XT, 6900XT, 6800XT and 6800.

I see no reason why there can't be 4 SKU's from Navi 32.

7800XT, 7800, 7700XT and 7700, all 16GB.

One has to ask - where is Navi 32? It's been six months since the release of Navi 31 and at least a month since Navi 33 turned up in laptops. The RX6000 series was fully launched within six months IIRC and that was during a pandemic.

The new AMD laptop CPUs as a result are being bundled with Nvidia dGPUs in the higher performance brackets.

 

[g67575]

Yeah I don't think any conclusions can be drawn about most of the lineup, until we know we have more concrete info about Navi32 graphics cards.

 

[humbug]

7900XTX: $1000
7900XT: $750
7800XT: $650
7800: $550
7700XT: $450
7700: $380
7600XT: $330
7600: $280

One has to ask - where is Navi 32? It's been six months since the release of Navi 31 and at least a month since Navi 33 turned up in laptops. The RX6000 series was fully launched within six months IIRC and that was during a pandemic.

yeah i know right.....

The new AMD laptop CPUs as a result are being bundled with Nvidia dGPUs in the higher performance brackets.

Intel are like, oh.... oh ok, cheers MATE!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

7900XTX: $1000
7900XT: $750
7800XT: $650
7800: $550
7700XT: $450
7700: $380
7600XT: $330
7600: $280



yeah i know right.....



Intel are like, oh.... oh ok, cheers MATE!

It just pains me to see AMD laptops not being bundled with AMD dGPUs.

 

[humbug]

It just pains me to see AMD laptops not being bundled with AMD dGPUs.

Me too, it would be nice to have some

 

[g67575]

That 'leaked' list looks like an early plan for RDNA3 to me.

The clue is that they mentioned vcache GPUs that never materialised. Just a list of possible products.

I'd pay it no mind, personally.

When they code this stuff, it makes sense to include even things that may never materialise, it saves time later.

 

[humbug]

i think i missed something. some one post the ROCm leak please

 

[Calin Banc]

Nvidia being a for profit company is not what i hate, i don't even hate them for charging a 74% GPU premium for DLSS 3, they can get away with it, i would do exactly the same if my customer base was dumb enough to suck it up.

That's really the point, Nvidia do that and tech journalists turn their fury at AMD for not doing something about it. What wrong with you people?

AMD launched 2nd so the ball was in their yard. The good ol' capitalist promise of competition and the progress that ensues it was the expectation.
I haven't such much love towards Nvidia, even moreso if we talk about value for their cards with this gen. Since you'd do the same (apparently customers are suckers and meant to be milked), you're basically upset because you feel Nvidia can get away with shenanigans while AMD can't. A "whatabout Nvidia, guys" type of thing when AMD is caught with its hand in the cookie jar.

 

[timorous]

I see 3 potential lineups and it depends on how well N33 performs and how aggressive AMD want to be. This will just be the XT models, imagine there are non XT variants in the price gaps.

Lineup 1 if N33 can clock really high and perform at 6800 - 6800XT tier performance. I don't think this will happen at all. Also it makes the lineup a bit rubbish and takes away one of the main benefits of N32 being MCM in that a 3 MCD config would be really odd in such a stack.

GPU	Die	Spec	Vram	Perf	Cost
7800XT	N32	60CU + 4MCD	16GB	AIB 6950XT or more	$600 max
7700XT	N33	32CU	16GB	has to hit 6800 minimum	$400 max
7600XT	N33	28CU	8GB	6700	$300 max
7500XT	N33	20CU	8GB (128 bit but slower ram)	6600XT	$200 max

This seems absurdly unlikely IMO

Lineup 2. N33 performs as expected and AMD want to be somewhat aggressive in price/performance

GPU	Die	Spec	Vram	Perf	Cost
7800XT	N32	60CU + 4MCD	16GB 20+gbps	AIB 6950XT / 4070 Ti	$550
7700XT	N32	48CU + 4MCD	16GB 18 gbps	6800XT / 4070	$450
7600XT	N32	40CU + 3MCD	12GB 18 gbps	6750XT - 6800	$350
7500XT	N33	32CU	8GB	6650XT - 6700	$220

The names vs die vs spec might be out but I think AMD really need to offer those performance tiers at those prices. It would also mean each card is getting a decent uplift over the older model. If AMD want to be less aggressive they could add $50 to each tier but I think that would go from 'these are really good value cards' to 'meh, not NV bad but not great either'

Lineup 3. What I think may actually happen.

GPU	Die	Spec	Vram	Perf	Cost
7800XT	N32	60CU + 4MCD	16GB 20gbps	AIB 6950 / 4070Ti	$600
7700XT	N32	48CU + 4MCD	16GB 18gbps	6800XT / 4070	$500
7600XT	N33	32CU	8GB with 16GB AIB variants	6700XT	$350 for the 16GB $280 for 8GB
7500XT	N33	20CU	8GB but slower memory	6600	$180

Similar to lineup 2 but 7600XT and 7500XT are weaker and the N32 parts are more expensive. Still better value than NV but not great. If 16GB AIB 7600XT do exist it leaves a potential 7700 12GB looking a bit weird.

 

[g67575]

That's some nice table work