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A negative for one does not equate to a positive for the other, now you're trolling.
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It looks like the 'real' /affordable RDNA3 + next gen NV desktop launch won't launch until September. Thoughts?
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A negative for one does not equate to a positive for the other, now you're trolling.
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I'm with you on line 3
Caporegime
Needs more context, depends on performance.
But yes, i think common sense would suggest you're completely reasonable in that analysis.
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Maybe the reason we haven't seen N32 yet, is the economics of it doesn't make sense yet, e.g. a 7700 XT on N32 couldn't have been very profitable.
But I've no doubt these would be the cards most consumers would be interested in, given the success of the RX 6700 XT.
But I've no doubt these would be the cards most consumers would be interested in, given the success of the RX 6700 XT.
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Caporegime
if AMD pontificate much longer it'll be too late.
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What are you basing "this tier" on?People will buy a Navi32 GPU if they want more VRAM. Most can afford this tier comfortably.
Navi23 + Navi33 is the filthy casual tier
Or, if you have a 1080p 60hz monitor (still super common, and perfectly fine).
I'd suggest you base it on the Navi2x series, specifically Navi22.
In which case we're looking at a Navi32 based 7700XT with 16GB for ~£400.
Fine, i'll buy that.
What I don't accept is that a 128bit low-end GPU die like Navi33 should be marketed as 7700 XT tier with a £400 pricetag.
Nor too do I accept that Navi32's should be marketed as 7800 XT tier with a £650 pricetag.
It is a midrange die, not a high-end die.
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Actually, there is a reason why the A750's £/FPS is much much better than the 16GB A770. Peole are looking for more VRAM! (Or alternatively GDDR6 really as as expensive as Nvidia plead!)
Small die? DG2-512 is huge at around 406mm². Density at 53.4m / mm² is very similar to that Navi 24 (currently the only other 6nm GPU) which is 50.5M / mm²:
AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT Specs
AMD Navi 24, 2815 MHz, 1024 Cores, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 4096 MB GDDR6, 2248 MHz, 64 bit
No, Intel's problem is very poor performance per transistor. 21.7 billion transistors cannot even keep up with Navi 22 (17.2 billion), or GA104 (17.4 billion).
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Actually, there is a reason why the A750's £/FPS is much much better than the 16GB A770. Peole are looking for more VRAM! (Or alternatively GDDR6 really as as expensive as Nvidia plead!)
Small die? DG2-512 is huge at around 406mm². Density at 53.4m / mm² is very similar to that Navi 24 (currently the only other 6nm GPU) which is 50.5M / mm²:
AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT Specs
AMD Navi 24, 2815 MHz, 1024 Cores, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 4096 MB GDDR6, 2248 MHz, 64 bitwww.techpowerup.com
No, Intel's problem is very poor performance per transistor. 21.7 billion transistors cannot even keep up with Navi 22 (17.2 billion), or GA104 (17.4 billion).
I think a lot of that is the immature software ecosystem TBF.
Wide and slower (or not factory overclocked!) would be nice but every cent counts so I suspect that won't happen. Chiplets could do it as a 406mm² monolith may have worse yields than two 300mm² chiplets.
Some of it surely is, some it might be stuff like the RT cores and AVX1. Some might be that they wanted one card able to handle some professional loads too (although never looked up their FP32 performance - although these days it's all about FP8 any how!).
If they could double up the shading units in the Arc A770, it could lead to a really powerful GPU, perhaps similar to a RTX 4070 TI or greater.
But they would have to improve the transistor density and power consumption a huge amount to do that in a single generation.
But they would have to improve the transistor density and power consumption a huge amount to do that in a single generation.
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Isn't DX9 and DX11 emulated?
I though it was only because Intel neglected their drivers for decades and were forced to turn to emulators where even the open source translators had done more work than Intel had for their iGPUs?
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Well apparently their whole driver team was in Russia,so it appears maybe they should have asked the open source community for more help!
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AMD have been a bit of a mess as of late, I would wait for the next gen
If a 7800XT is only 60CU then it would need to clock well above 3ghz to get 6950XT performance, the 84 CU 7900XT is only 10-15% faster than an 80CU 6950XT.
There is a chance that the release leak was right and Navi 31 was defective, leading to substandard performance.
If true, we might see greater gains than the early cards revealed.