It looks like the 'real' /affordable RDNA3 + next gen NV desktop launch won't launch until September. Thoughts?

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 28 May 2023 at 08:24

The RTX4070 should have launched at the RTX3070 FE pricing at worst,and it would have been a 27% improvement with more VRAM.

Then RTX4060TI 16GB should have launched at £369.99 pricing at worst,and have been doubling of VRAM. The RTX3060TI should have launched at £320 at worst,but it would have given you a 45% improvement over the RTX3060 12GB but with less VRAM.

But there was an RTX4070TI 12GB for £630ish a few weeks ago,so people should keep a look out.

gpuerrilla · 28 May 2023 at 09:54

DragonQ said:
6800 for £430 is tempting. If it had 16 GB of VRAM, the 4070 at £600 plus Diablo IV would be on its way to me as we speak. :/

It'll be annoying to wait for the 7800 (XT) then find it offers no improvement in perf/£ or perf/W compared to the 6800.

Its annoying but you will have to see if this upscaling (which is now the gold standard) and frame insertion - makes the measurement that bit better to swallow.

DragonQ · 28 May 2023 at 09:57

gpuerrilla said:
Its annoying but you will have to see if this upscaling (which is now the gold standard) and frame insertion - makes the measurement that bit better to swallow.

I have zero interest in frame insertion and AMD have said FSR 3 will work for RDNA2 cards anyway so I'm not that worried.

gpuerrilla · 28 May 2023 at 10:01

DragonQ said:
I have zero interest in frame insertion and AMD have said FSR 3 will work for RDNA2 cards anyway so I'm not that worried.

People said they have zero interest in RT or DLSS but that's all the reviewers benchmark lately.

Although some factual data on sales better than just mindfactory or the steam hardware survey would be great.

Zarax · 28 May 2023 at 13:58

gpuerrilla said:
People said they have zero interest in RT or DLSS but that's all the reviewers benchmark lately. Although some factual data on sales better than just mindfactory or the steam hardware survey would be great.

JPR does post data a couple times per year, that said most companies won't easily disclose sales data so we'd have to be happy with what we get.

gpuerrilla · 28 May 2023 at 14:10

When I done some digging it seems to be behind a paywall service. You could scrape if there were known places to scrape.. I wouldnt say happy with what we get because in europe and particularly the UK (being a UK forum) to be factually correct some information from the retailers would rapidly indicate what was selling instead of parroting social media posts from other areas of the globe.

As you or others have mentioned, from places like Italy and countries that get high mark-ups on components its even more important that country data for what they are really selling for is shared to give a better perspective of prices people are spending on these products.

Zarax · 28 May 2023 at 18:22

gpuerrilla said:
When I done some digging it seems to be behind a paywall service. You could scrape if there were known places to scrape.. I wouldnt say happy with what we get because in europe and particularly the UK (being a UK forum) to be factually correct some information from the retailers would rapidly indicate what was selling instead of parroting social media posts from other areas of the globe.

As you or others have mentioned, from places like Italy and countries that get high mark-ups on components its even more important that country data for what they are really selling for is shared to give a better perspective of prices people are spending on these products.

Ironically we have a technically neutral player who could disclose reliable statistics: Microsoft.
It would be trivially easy for them to disclose the information they already gather, guess it's more a legal issue than a technical one.

DragonQ · 3 Jun 2023 at 18:05

Bit the bullet on a pair of 6800 XTs. Loving them so far. Big upgrade for my wife who was running 1440p144 with an RX 480...but she still doesn't notice the difference.

g67575 · 14 Jun 2023 at 00:19

Looks like AMD is finally readying Navi32 GPUs:

Alleged AMD Navi 32 GPU pictured with four MCD dies - VideoCardz.com

Navi 32 collecting dust at AMD HQ With no formal announcement, AMD casually shows its next-gen GPU during an interview. Forbes had a chance to talk to AMD CEO and President Lisa Su about the past and future of the company. This video is actually not very fresh, as we are looking at content...

videocardz.com

I imagine the performance of the 60 CU part will be similar to the RX 6900 XT, so I expect it to be called the RX 7800. I suppose they might be able to call it an XT if clocked high enough, but I doubt it.

AMD still has some RX 6900 series cards to sell, so I expect they will want to sell these off first.

JediFragger · 14 Jun 2023 at 09:38

g67575 said:
AMD still has some RX 6900 series cards to sell, so I expect they will want to sell these off first.

Tbf they're still a solid choice....at the right pricing.

Grim5 · 14 Jun 2023 at 11:35

g67575 said:
Looks like AMD is finally readying Navi32 GPUs:

Alleged AMD Navi 32 GPU pictured with four MCD dies - VideoCardz.com

Navi 32 collecting dust at AMD HQ With no formal announcement, AMD casually shows its next-gen GPU during an interview. Forbes had a chance to talk to AMD CEO and President Lisa Su about the past and future of the company. This video is actually not very fresh, as we are looking at content...

videocardz.com

I imagine the performance of the 60 CU part will be similar to the RX 6900 XT, so I expect it to be called the RX 7800. I suppose they might be able to call it an XT if clocked high enough, but I doubt it.

AMD still has some RX 6900 series cards to sell, so I expect they will want to sell these off first.

According to this the 7800xt on par or slightly faster than the 6900xt performance

Simulated Radeon RX 7800 XT GPU ends up 4% to 13% faster than RX 6800 XT - VideoCardz.com

Modded Radeon PRO W7800 has been tested in gaming Igor’sLAB has a performance simulation of a Radeon W7800 workstation card turned gaming. Just yesterday a first purported AMD Navi 32 GPU pictures have emerged. This unreleased GPU could be AMD’s response to the growing popularity of upper...

videocardz.com

Doop! · 14 Jun 2023 at 11:43

That kind of performance should be priced £400, So I'm prepared to be disappointed.

humbug · 14 Jun 2023 at 12:05

Grim5 said:
According to this the 7800xt on par or slightly faster than the 6900xt performance

Simulated Radeon RX 7800 XT GPU ends up 4% to 13% faster than RX 6800 XT - VideoCardz.com

Modded Radeon PRO W7800 has been tested in gaming Igor’sLAB has a performance simulation of a Radeon W7800 workstation card turned gaming. Just yesterday a first purported AMD Navi 32 GPU pictures have emerged. This unreleased GPU could be AMD’s response to the growing popularity of upper...

videocardz.com

humbug said:
Notice its made almost no difference upping the power limit and clocks from 1850Mhz to 2500Mhz? Its got a two slot blower cooler, its not designed to and can't run at 260 watts outside of a server case which have extremely powerful flow through fans.

Igor is another one of these people who claims to be an expert and yet puts out content that is mind-numbingly dumb.

Wait for real reviews, or better leaks than this one.

It has about the same number of CU's as the 6800XT and much faster memory, it can't get the clocks up, a two slot blower cooler like that can't dissipate much head without high pressure air being forced through it, like in a server case, where its meant to live.

DragonQ · 14 Jun 2023 at 12:39

The 7800 XT will be 6900 XT performance at £550, mark my words.

MCFC_ANDY · 14 Jun 2023 at 12:46

The 7800 XT will be 6900 XT performance at £550, mark my words.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 14 Jun 2023 at 17:31

Grim5 said:
According to this the 7800xt on par or slightly faster than the 6900xt performance

Simulated Radeon RX 7800 XT GPU ends up 4% to 13% faster than RX 6800 XT - VideoCardz.com

Modded Radeon PRO W7800 has been tested in gaming Igor’sLAB has a performance simulation of a Radeon W7800 workstation card turned gaming. Just yesterday a first purported AMD Navi 32 GPU pictures have emerged. This unreleased GPU could be AMD’s response to the growing popularity of upper...

videocardz.com

That is with 10 more CUs than the purported number Navi 32 has,ie,around 17% more. I suspect with 60 CUs,we will get something slightly faster than the RX6800 16GB for the same $479 RRP as the RX6700XT,ie around £450.The RX6800 16GB will be slightly slower for slightly less money.

This fits in with the RX7600 being slightly faster than an RX6650XT,for slightly more money.

humbug · 14 Jun 2023 at 17:46

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
That is with 10 more CUs than the purported number Navi 32 has,ie,around 17% more. I suspect with 60 CUs,we will get something slightly faster than the RX6800 16GB for the same $479 RRP as the RX6700XT,ie around £450.The RX6800 16GB will be slightly slower for slightly less money.

This fits in with the RX7600 being slightly faster than an RX6650XT,for slightly more money.

The RX 6650XT was $399, the RX 6600XT was $379 and the RX 6600 was $329, the RX 7600 is $269.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 14 Jun 2023 at 17:51

humbug said:
The RX 6650XT was $399, the RX 6600XT was $379 and the RX 6600 was $329, the RX 7600 is $269.

I meant to say at current RX6650XT pricing. The RX6800 16GB is now nearly £400. The RX7700XT could be around £450,so is slightly faster for slightly more money. This is what AMD did,ie,compare the RX7600 RRP with the RX6600 series original RRP.

The RX7600 was nearly 30% faster than an RX6600 according to TPU(IIRC),so slightly more than an RX6800 performance would make an RX7700XT around 25% to 30% faster than an RX6700XT. But considering we have utter trash like the RTX4060TI,its an easier target to meet.

humbug · 14 Jun 2023 at 18:03

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I meant to say at current RX6650XT pricing. The RX6800 16GB is now nearly £400. The RX7700XT could be around £450,so is slightly faster for slightly more money. This is what AMD did,ie,compare the RX7600 RRP with the RX6600 series original RRP.

The RX7600 was nearly 30% faster than an RX6600 according to TPU(IIRC),so slightly more than an RX6800 performance would make an RX7700XT around 25% to 30% faster than an RX6700XT. But considering we have utter trash like the RTX4060TI,its an easier target to meet.

Yeah 30% faster for 20% less money, when you look at it that way its pretty good, i think its pretty good, even when stacked against the RX 6650XT which is only about £20 cheaper. its faster, its newer, its got AV1 and FSR3 when ever that comes out.

It was meant to be $299, AMD changed it 48 hours before launch, probably because reviewers told them it was too expensive and having been told that by the same people about the 7900XT they dropped the price this time, those people, instead of just saying "Ok fair play" they found a way to complain about that and make it a negative review, again, can't win.

So they might, they might not, there is as you pointed out precedent for it now, but don't count on it, they are not exactly given clear signals at the moment, and they do need that guidance because whatever they do they know it needs to be worth it.

humbug · 14 Jun 2023 at 18:11

Its much better, and / or cheaper than the ARC cards these same people like to cheerily push, hhmmm... after a decade of doing that with Nvidia. They never learn. Always idiots.